All versions of Titebond Wood Glue share many of the same properties, but with a few key differences. When I die, I want to go peacefully like my grandfather did in his.
I like the longer set time of III.
Hide glue will release when heat and moisture are applied to a joint or a veneer. 
All of the listed other brands, are half the price (or more) of the major epoxy formulators, with very similar physical attributes. Strength-wise, there are some differences as well. Copyright 2006-2022 The Wood Whisperer Inc. I found it for pennies more than II, which I usually use, and got curious about the open time and color, which landed me here. There are formulations that work with the same physical properties, but are much more difficult to blush and less reactive to people. My post was just to highlight the less than desirable aspects of the combination, especially in structural applications. Take a look at the table below for a more complete list of what Titebond is good for. Will Titebond (either of the types) give an adequate bond since there are unlikely to be any pores to bond to on the aluminum? When in doubt, always test your wood glue on a scrap piece of timber first. Reason 3 is that TB 2 and TB 3 have a reputation of creeping under sustained strain. Then when they brought out Type III, the Type II was downgraded to not being suitable for structural use. Once you get a handle on epoxy, youll find using other adhesives difficult, even with the mixing and stuff associated with epoxy. Im using Titebond 111. The benefits of this are that you dont need to clamp so tightly, and you dont need to worry about the expanding glue weakening or moving your joint out of place. Im with rgdaniel on this one.
For hardwoods (oak, birch): 200-300 psi. Yeah, we should have read the small print, but you shouldnt have to Obviously canoe paddles will be constantly wet during daily use, and I DONT want them to fall apart or weaken later, after all the time and material invested into building them! I have just recently stumbled upon your site and I love all the info you bestow upon us fellow woodworking enthusiast. Essentially to simulate and speed up the WBP testing process, glued wooden joints are subjected to boiling water, drying and boiling water treatments over a several hours. It might be pine. The thickest, fastest-drying glue available for use with porous and semi-porous materials. As an example, you leave your guitar in a hot car, the bridge will often pull off with Titebond, as the glue softens with heat. must be removed to ensure good adhesion. Our humidity is low with the exception of a couple months in summer. I need some help. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'woodworkhubby_com-leader-1','ezslot_11',115,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-leader-1-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-leader-1-0'];};This glue is also great for anyone living in colder climates. Not unique to Titebond, but a great feature nonetheless. Joints and edges of glued pieces not being lined up when clamped can be a big problem because most wood glues are not reversible; meaning once they cured the joints cannot be moved.
Taking it apart is not really an option I may as well build a new table at that point. Where the moisture level is above 16%, the glue may not dry at all. This will work on exterior applications, even those in highly moist locations. I may not always live in Phoenix, so better safe than sorry. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. If you pass that time it will create a dry layer on top. Darn that comment was not for this reply lol. For unusual glue ups where you dont want to use a brad or other mechanical fastener use a drop of CA glue inside your regular glue joint to hold things in place while your Titebond or other glue sets. Just for S&G I glued two pieces of maple together using the dark glue, actually added a contrast that could come in handy some day. Thank you for making this possible.
The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". Does Titebond Wood Glue work on Cedar and other oily woods? Before doing a glue-up ensure it is not too cold and you have sufficient air ventilation. Use glues like epoxy and polyurethane glue that dont depend on absorption into the fibers in order to work. My glue up (when more than two glue lines are involve) are artsy; pieces always shift a little when putting the clamp pressure and I always too late to fix it . By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. I was just asking myself the other day I wonder what the differnece is in the glues. Not entirely sure as to why though. Rod. What is the best glue for rubber to metal? Too many factors for me to say for certain. Make sure the surface is clean and dry and free from any dust or oil. (I knew they were different, but figured it was just a way for the company to make more money). Then about a year ago I needed Gorilla again for some reason and bought a new small bottle. Secondly, supposedly it dries more brittle or shall I say less rubbery. Even if you use all hardwoods, you still may confront density and expansion issues. Applying too little glue runs the risk of a failure. I plan on using both hardwoods and softer woods in the different paddle layouts, but am now wondering what I should use as a fully waterproof adhesive? We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Titebond should be left in the clamps for a minimum of 45 minutes to ensure a good bond. This may be enough to exceed the PVAs grip on the substrate in some situations, particularly dense softwoods. Can be used on wood, hardboard, high-pressure laminates, particleboard, leather, supported vinyl, cloth, paper and many other porous materials. The bench holds up 50 or 60 pounds of dirt in pots, so not highly loaded, but some very slight joint movement can be seen, since I made it. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. Thanks. Titebond Original: Titebond Original dries an opaque light yellow color. Cyanoacrylate or CA glue on the other hand is has passed submersion tests for the equivalent of 10 years and has a 2 year shelf life. Titebond starts to bond almost instantly, making it easier and faster to finish your project. I will be making some segmented pen blanks and part of the segmentation will be a layer of aluminum between the wood pieces. Required fields are marked *. Do I have a drying time issue or are the tolerances too tight between the dado and the cedar? I just built a cedar grill table for my green egg smoker, was quite proud of myself until I realized that all the joints are done with tight bond 1. How does it compare with a glue called Cascorez made in Brazil? The standard yellow wood glue often called carpenters glue, is a great product for most indoor wood projects. It has been properly stored. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. 2) excessive penetration can starve the joint of glue making glue failure more likely. Clamping time of 30 minutes is the minimum you should leave the clamps on. TiteBond doesnt recommend its use in structural applications, so if you have some roof beams to glue, use something else (like polyurethane or epoxy, for example). There is a fairly short clamp time of between 30 minutes to one hour until the project will be strong enough to continue working on, and the glue will be completely cured in 6 hours. I loaned a dining room set of antique Country French Dining Room furniture to a friend who decided she did not want it any longer so she put the antique furniture in her van in southern California for 3 months during the summer with temps up to 100 degrees! anyone have thoughts about gluing plywood end-grain with Titebond? Apparently CA adhesives (cyanoacrylate) are best for wood to copper. the titabond is easy to use,and since Im screwing everything together,the slow set up time isnt a factor,but I made a wrong cut and had to take a bracing board out a couple days later,and it actually pulled the wood fibers out. Temperatures range from 30 deg C (90%humidity) to -30 deg C (15% humidity). I have only used TB 2 on any of my projects. Woah. Click here to check the current prices on Amazon. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Not much except cyanoacrylates will stick to it, though some polyurethanes do too (like PL Premium). Just about everything is an irritant to some extent. In a pinch, you can use epoxy. For bright finishes I laminater with 205 hardener unless it is really warm them use 206 hardener. Im a fan. An strong. Under typical environmental conditions Titebond II and Titebond III are equally resistant to water. un-air-conditioned garage workshop. On the topic of GLUE! But, if you are building bird houses, planters or other outdoor projects that are in the elements all of the time, then you should use a waterproof wood glue. I had to go through a whole stack of 24s just to find a few that were relatively straight grained and defect free, but its worth the trouble if you want light weight. But sealing isnt an all or non proposition. My furniture was returned with all the joints loosened. This is known as chalking, and the critical temperature is the chalk temperature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. It has the same incredible bond strength as Titebond Original, the bond will be stronger than the wood itself so you can rely on it holding up. I know people will laugh but i want to glue doors back together. Titebond 3 sounds like it will NOT give me the degree of waterproofing I need, but I was still hoping to be able to utilize some type of non-catalyzed one step glue(for both ease of use, and to minimize waste). If its due to milling issues or technique, it doesnt matter what glue you use. Concerning glue creep, a boatbuilding friend of mine once glued teak gunwale strips on a 30 steamboat, bent around the hull using epoxy and no screws. it seems to be pretty strong and Ive not had any issues with it. Dap Resorcicnol Glue has been discontinued by the manufacturer. Click Here to view Titebond III Ultimate on Amazon. Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue is a further improvement on Titebond II, being fully waterproof and able to cope with extreme temperatures. I think it would have to be very hot weather before I would take the clamps off in that timeframe. TBIII won because it is available at the local lumber yard but TBII extended is 75 miles down the coast. Perfect for laminating waterskis, etc. I want to paint the boards after the glue application, with exterior latex paint. My worry is that based on what Ive read, Titebond 3 looses strength as the temperature rises and could cause my joints to open. I have not had any issues with creep, and I personally hope my repairs are permanent, not temporary. On something so small it might be ok. Since I try to save money when I can I normally buy Titebond I and only when I am really worried about the glue line showing up in dark wood I use Titebond III. Great summary you should put this on the new forum in the joinery/construction section.
I have heard that spackle will pop out of the holes in time. Also the Marinepoxy from Bateau.com is quite good as well. I decided to start this site to educate others on the things I have learnt.
Some of these paddles will be used for running bigger whitewater, so they need to be strong and durable. You've only seen one page. It is great for particleboard, MDF, plywood, and other porous materials. But it depends on the rate of movement of each individual species and whether theres enough of a difference to cause an issue. All the hardware needed to handle any job. Its completely ripped off and the hinges are in place. Make sure to clean away excess glue before it dries as Titebond wood glues to do not take stain. Or should I glue then dip immediately. Titebond III Ultimate: Titebond III Ultimate contains crushed walnut shells to give the finished product a nice, natural Light Brown color when dry. Professional-strength, waterproof glue specifically designed for multi-purpose applications.
As to epoxy recommendations, West System 105/205 206 207 209 are amine cure products. It is almost 8 long so it takes a lot of time to glue. Any one have any experience using it?? I like the idea that that titebond 2 & 3 dry darker but I have read that some manufacturers have said that titebond 1 works better on Walnut. Just built my little girl a swingset with Titebond III and love the consistency and worktime. Titebond III is basically the best of Titebond I & II and put together in one bottle! So again, if you routinely paddle your boat over boiling water, maybe resorcinol is a better choice. Never use it in a very cold shopbad results! They may get wet occasionally but are not out in the elements 24/7. Titebond have a great range of adhesives, you just need to decide which one fits the project you are working on. It works well for some applications, and sometimes is better than Titebond and other PVA glues on wood as explained below. Ive used it for years and never had problems. For medium density woods (cherry, soft maple): 150-200 psi. Woodwork Hubby is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. I was asking how to extend Titebond IIIs set time. So at least for me, the deciding factor may just come down to the color of the glue line. Limitations: Titebond III passes ANSI/HPVA Type I water-resistance tests. Is this them covering themselves legally or should I be more careful? A properly-fit joint with the appropriate amount of pressure will create an incredibly strong and reliable bond using any of the three glues. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. All of our woodworking projects are going to be slightly different and I can see why there is often some confusion over which Titebond glue to use. Interestingly enough, epoxy doesnt pass the type 1 WBP test that TiteBond III does, so from a mil spec view point, epoxy isnt waterproof. I DO want the wood (yellow cedar) to silver uniformly. Am I breaking any cardinal rules of woodworking if I try mixing both soft/hard woods together in the same paddle layup (whether in the handle shaft and/or in the paddle blades) or am I inviting future cracking issues if I attempt this, due to the different inherent characteristics of these materials (such as density, dryness, etc?) I thought I would quickly summarize which glue suits which applications to make it easier for you on your next project. In saying this, I have needed to use Titebond III on a cutting board that had light-colored wood. A wagon wheel table and large chairs. I had that experience the first time I used Gorilla glue. He asks: Hey Marc I have a really dumb question for you. thanks, this can be significant, where the article appears to say all other factors between 2 and 3 are too small to concern our selves. Supposedly the II and III are not good for instrument building. Ive learned a lot from this thread already! Thanks very much. The only glue you should use on a violin is hide glue. Thanks for the info Marc. Its the only time Ive bought it as a result. My goal is more about strength in the dry area I live in and not as much about the concerns of the mess of guerrilla glue if that is a choice. I was going to say the same thing. Is one really better than another? Was it pre or post construction? They rely on absorption into a fibrous material to work properly. I glue a lot of wood and fiberglass laminates for both interiors and marine applications. Say you are building some wooden deck chairs that are kept under a covered porch. If you occasionally make outdoor projects and cutting boards, stock up on Titebond II instead. Titebond Melamine Glue is designed for bonding wood, particleboard, MDF and other porous substrates to synthetic materials such as melamine, vinyl and HPL as well as metals. The best glue for this application wood molding glue because it is designed to be thicker and will not run or drip when applied to the face of a vertical surface. This is outdoor patio furniture. I've glued up panels in the summer for 10 minutes and then sent them through the planer and then the panel bevel on a shaper. Titebond III offers twice the open time of Titebond II and Original. I will be using 2 x 6 x 8 lumber, and the bench will be 3 x 96. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Ive seen it before and had to repair the damage. Most of our yellow and white glues, including Titebond Original and Titebond II, remain usable beyond two years. Maybe a silly question butwill either Titebond II or III bond to a wood surface which has been stained which contained a sealer as well? Im guessing it is legal coverage. Titebond III 800 psi (yes thats an 80% loss from the room temp value) Different substrates can be addressed, like bonding a fastener in concrete, or to aluminum, steel, wood, etc., all easily addressed with technique. Well I dont know about you guys, but I am not about to stock three different types of PVA glue just for the sake of a few hundred theoretical PSI. Tricks for keeping Gorilla glue: This time it happens to be Titebond III. It doesnt stick to itself, which makes repairs a pain in the butt joint. The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. When chalking occurs, the glued joint loses strength. Now the walnut lumber in question was bought at an estate auction. Do NOT use Titebod III for paddles. Certainly in my day today work, the answer is no. Especially working time? If you have any questions for adhesive realted articles feel free to shoot me an e-mail or I can give you my direct line. The problem with a previously-glued joint is theres probably still glue on the surfaces. My idea is to use a more waterproof fabric application, also using a waterproof fabric, eliminating many of the issues associated with this covering technique. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'woodworkhubby_com-banner-1','ezslot_6',114,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-1-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-1-0'];};It is also the perfect craft or hobby glue and can be sanded and finished easily. It does not have to set completely but it needs to hold so that working on the next strip does not move it. On Titebonds Web site, it states, Titebond II Strength 3750 psi Wood failure rate 72% I went through the very scientific approach of picking a glue by watching as many videos as possible of woodworkers, and paid attention to what color the label was on the glue bottle they used. So now its come time for you to glue up your project but with so many opinions about Titebond glues, does Titebond wood glue dry clear? Check out our handy guide on the different varieties of Titebond wood glues! If you work with epoxy regularly, as I do, these are huge considerations, besides the price. As far as strength, these days if you have a tight joint the wood will fail before the glue so the strength of titebond II is more than enough for me. Ive used quite a bit of it over the years, though in recent decades, not so much with the advent of epoxy formulations. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. In fact, I dont use PVAs at all on structural elements, mostly because of creep. Every version of Titebond has this certification. Thanks for any direction, I recently had a large glue-up where I exceeded the open time of Titebond III (10 minutes). How to make slime without glue or activator, Titebond 5004 II Premium Wood Glue, 16-Ounces - 2 Pack, Titebond Franklin International 5005 II Premium Wood Glue, 1 Gal, Franklin International 5064 Titebond Original Wood Glue, 16-Ounce, 2 Pack, Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue, 16-Ounces #1414, 3 Pack, Titebond Wood Glue Differences: (What version should you use? It hardened and was ruined. Timber Grain is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program. I thought I had everything in order, but as you know sometimes glue-ups, especially complicated ones, dont go quite to plan. The glue lines have shrunk up quite a bit, but are still holding. Yikes! If I had one I would probably get some TB III in a small bottle for that project. As for mixing woods, its hard to say. You can find more about the site on the about page. I have always had great results. I will wax dip the hives at 150c for 12 minutes to preserve the pine timber. Lastly, the biggest issue I have with the PVAs is repair. What glue would you recommend for building laminated wood canoe paddles? Elmers White School Glue Review and Guide, The Original Super Glue Review and Guide, Elmers Carpenters Wood Glue Review and Guide, Tear Mender Instant Fabric and Leather Adhesive review. To clamp, wrap several long strips of blue tape around edge of broken door piece to hold firmly to the rest of the door. Not so with hide glue. No impact on the piece, only on having the clamps tied up if you have several pieces to glue. white spruce in in the mid to upper 20 pound per cubic foot range, which is light. Im not a big fan of Gorilla glue because of the foaming you have to keep wiping it for about half an hour but it does have its uses. Im glad I was able to help! It took me about 15 minutes from start to completion. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. If looking for a quality, non-amine cure epoxy (non-blushing, less reactive to people), try Raka or one of the products at Progressive Polymers. If joint is with the grain, will be virtually invisible. December might be a tip off of at least some issues to exploreeither with the material or the glue. As I mentioned, my current testing is exploring the strong points of this goo, such as its elongation and ability to recover with environmental changes. I used to use it a lot, and it was a very good glue. Firstly, it will release on heat. I bought a very small bottle about a year ago for a very small outdoor repair.
But my gut reaction is that its fine. Thank you! These tend to blush and for some folks also can be reactive (allergic).West does offer some fine professional grade epoxies and specialty formulations, some of which cant be beat. To: The Lonely Guy Out There Reading Down This Thread Getting All Worked Up About Glue. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. We have lots more on the site to show you. This time, after using a small amount, I followed the directions on the bottle and squeezed the air out of it before I capped it. Resorcinol is an option, though I wouldnt recommend it, unless you have perfectly fitted joints and can employ lots of clamping pressure. Anyone else having experiences similar to Gabe? Once the post was in the concrete and it had cured, I put a bead of gray concrete caulking at the bottom of the post so that water cannot seep in. I recently bought Titebond 3 under the assumption (but mostly by recommendation) that it was a great WATERPROOF glue as claimed, but then later found that its Not for continuous submersion or for use below the waterline. Personally, I dont see how something can be considered or marketed as waterproof if it doesnt fully fit that description, so I was misleadand so were my friends who highly recommended it. Its bagged in place for the first portion of the cure. I would look into the marine industry adhesives. If its outside its best date I guess I will have to purchase a new bottle. Jason, good question. I work with several adhesives in yacht building, restoration and repair. Epoxy choices can range from the 5 minute stuff found at the local big box store (dont use it) to the full blown high tech stuff employed on the Americas Cub boats. Obviously I can cover it, but its still going to be exposed to winters and summers and some inevitable moisture. Wondering if theres any water resistant sealer or coating that I can put on the thing? But I have used CA glue to fill a small bullet hole in the surface of a black walnut table I built, and if you dont know it is there you would be hard pressed to find it. Heat and humidity in the Houston area is hard to deal with on shelf life especially if you have senior moments and forget to bring the glue inside. Of course it rained the next day. If you use Titebond, which is a very good glue, you will never be able to take the fiddle apart if it needs work done in the future. There are three basic versions of Titebond available on the market today, here is a brief explanation of the differences between each one to help you decide which is right for you: Titebond original wood glue is a standard PVA wood glue. I do a lot of small veneer projects, and have always used a cold set veneer glue (Better Bond). I wonder if there is any difference between the three in the visibility of the glue line on light-colored woods. Should bind to just about anything. Here i am, completely out of my league and have no experience with glue or wood but i am determined to fix a piece of furniture i saved from side of road.it is a very clean no stain wood cabinet. So our stuff is probably more stable than most places. I need to replace a broken part that was bonded to another with Titebond II. :icon_smile: Learning more about tools everyday :thumbsup: Typically, I'll leave mortise and tenon or edge to edge glue ups in clamps over night. If youre creating a project for use with food, such as repairing or building a cutting board, a bowl or a knife holder, you can rest assured that should any food come in contact with your project, it will not pose any health risk to you. Both surfaces should have an equal amount of glue, spread thinly and uniformly across the entire surface. Check out the PSI strength ratings below. For use on wood-to-wood and on most other porous materials where a water resistant glue is required. Id recommend the basic no blush from epoxyproducts.com (tell them PAR sent you) and also Marinepoxy from Bateau.com as the best substitutes, in regard to price per gallon, non-blush and reactivity. It stays hard until actually melted. An example: I needed to replace my privacy fence because of exposure and finally our microbursts that we get in West Denver did it in.
I like the longer set time of III.
Hide glue will release when heat and moisture are applied to a joint or a veneer. All of the listed other brands, are half the price (or more) of the major epoxy formulators, with very similar physical attributes. Strength-wise, there are some differences as well. Copyright 2006-2022 The Wood Whisperer Inc. I found it for pennies more than II, which I usually use, and got curious about the open time and color, which landed me here. There are formulations that work with the same physical properties, but are much more difficult to blush and less reactive to people. My post was just to highlight the less than desirable aspects of the combination, especially in structural applications. Take a look at the table below for a more complete list of what Titebond is good for. Will Titebond (either of the types) give an adequate bond since there are unlikely to be any pores to bond to on the aluminum? When in doubt, always test your wood glue on a scrap piece of timber first. Reason 3 is that TB 2 and TB 3 have a reputation of creeping under sustained strain. Then when they brought out Type III, the Type II was downgraded to not being suitable for structural use. Once you get a handle on epoxy, youll find using other adhesives difficult, even with the mixing and stuff associated with epoxy. Im using Titebond 111. The benefits of this are that you dont need to clamp so tightly, and you dont need to worry about the expanding glue weakening or moving your joint out of place. Im with rgdaniel on this one. For hardwoods (oak, birch): 200-300 psi. Yeah, we should have read the small print, but you shouldnt have to Obviously canoe paddles will be constantly wet during daily use, and I DONT want them to fall apart or weaken later, after all the time and material invested into building them! I have just recently stumbled upon your site and I love all the info you bestow upon us fellow woodworking enthusiast. Essentially to simulate and speed up the WBP testing process, glued wooden joints are subjected to boiling water, drying and boiling water treatments over a several hours. It might be pine. The thickest, fastest-drying glue available for use with porous and semi-porous materials. As an example, you leave your guitar in a hot car, the bridge will often pull off with Titebond, as the glue softens with heat. must be removed to ensure good adhesion. Our humidity is low with the exception of a couple months in summer. I need some help. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'woodworkhubby_com-leader-1','ezslot_11',115,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-leader-1-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-leader-1-0'];};This glue is also great for anyone living in colder climates. Not unique to Titebond, but a great feature nonetheless. Joints and edges of glued pieces not being lined up when clamped can be a big problem because most wood glues are not reversible; meaning once they cured the joints cannot be moved.
Taking it apart is not really an option I may as well build a new table at that point. Where the moisture level is above 16%, the glue may not dry at all. This will work on exterior applications, even those in highly moist locations. I may not always live in Phoenix, so better safe than sorry. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. If you pass that time it will create a dry layer on top. Darn that comment was not for this reply lol. For unusual glue ups where you dont want to use a brad or other mechanical fastener use a drop of CA glue inside your regular glue joint to hold things in place while your Titebond or other glue sets. Just for S&G I glued two pieces of maple together using the dark glue, actually added a contrast that could come in handy some day. Thank you for making this possible. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". Does Titebond Wood Glue work on Cedar and other oily woods? Before doing a glue-up ensure it is not too cold and you have sufficient air ventilation. Use glues like epoxy and polyurethane glue that dont depend on absorption into the fibers in order to work. My glue up (when more than two glue lines are involve) are artsy; pieces always shift a little when putting the clamp pressure and I always too late to fix it . By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. I was just asking myself the other day I wonder what the differnece is in the glues. Not entirely sure as to why though. Rod. What is the best glue for rubber to metal? Too many factors for me to say for certain. Make sure the surface is clean and dry and free from any dust or oil. (I knew they were different, but figured it was just a way for the company to make more money). Then about a year ago I needed Gorilla again for some reason and bought a new small bottle. Secondly, supposedly it dries more brittle or shall I say less rubbery. Even if you use all hardwoods, you still may confront density and expansion issues. Applying too little glue runs the risk of a failure. I plan on using both hardwoods and softer woods in the different paddle layouts, but am now wondering what I should use as a fully waterproof adhesive? We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Titebond should be left in the clamps for a minimum of 45 minutes to ensure a good bond. This may be enough to exceed the PVAs grip on the substrate in some situations, particularly dense softwoods. Can be used on wood, hardboard, high-pressure laminates, particleboard, leather, supported vinyl, cloth, paper and many other porous materials. The bench holds up 50 or 60 pounds of dirt in pots, so not highly loaded, but some very slight joint movement can be seen, since I made it. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. Thanks. Titebond Original: Titebond Original dries an opaque light yellow color. Cyanoacrylate or CA glue on the other hand is has passed submersion tests for the equivalent of 10 years and has a 2 year shelf life. Titebond starts to bond almost instantly, making it easier and faster to finish your project. I will be making some segmented pen blanks and part of the segmentation will be a layer of aluminum between the wood pieces. Required fields are marked *. Do I have a drying time issue or are the tolerances too tight between the dado and the cedar? I just built a cedar grill table for my green egg smoker, was quite proud of myself until I realized that all the joints are done with tight bond 1. How does it compare with a glue called Cascorez made in Brazil? The standard yellow wood glue often called carpenters glue, is a great product for most indoor wood projects. It has been properly stored. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. 2) excessive penetration can starve the joint of glue making glue failure more likely. Clamping time of 30 minutes is the minimum you should leave the clamps on. TiteBond doesnt recommend its use in structural applications, so if you have some roof beams to glue, use something else (like polyurethane or epoxy, for example). There is a fairly short clamp time of between 30 minutes to one hour until the project will be strong enough to continue working on, and the glue will be completely cured in 6 hours. I loaned a dining room set of antique Country French Dining Room furniture to a friend who decided she did not want it any longer so she put the antique furniture in her van in southern California for 3 months during the summer with temps up to 100 degrees! anyone have thoughts about gluing plywood end-grain with Titebond? Apparently CA adhesives (cyanoacrylate) are best for wood to copper. the titabond is easy to use,and since Im screwing everything together,the slow set up time isnt a factor,but I made a wrong cut and had to take a bracing board out a couple days later,and it actually pulled the wood fibers out. Temperatures range from 30 deg C (90%humidity) to -30 deg C (15% humidity). I have only used TB 2 on any of my projects. Woah. Click here to check the current prices on Amazon. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Not much except cyanoacrylates will stick to it, though some polyurethanes do too (like PL Premium). Just about everything is an irritant to some extent. In a pinch, you can use epoxy. For bright finishes I laminater with 205 hardener unless it is really warm them use 206 hardener. Im a fan. An strong. Under typical environmental conditions Titebond II and Titebond III are equally resistant to water. un-air-conditioned garage workshop. On the topic of GLUE! But, if you are building bird houses, planters or other outdoor projects that are in the elements all of the time, then you should use a waterproof wood glue. I had to go through a whole stack of 24s just to find a few that were relatively straight grained and defect free, but its worth the trouble if you want light weight. But sealing isnt an all or non proposition. My furniture was returned with all the joints loosened. This is known as chalking, and the critical temperature is the chalk temperature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. It has the same incredible bond strength as Titebond Original, the bond will be stronger than the wood itself so you can rely on it holding up. I know people will laugh but i want to glue doors back together. Titebond 3 sounds like it will NOT give me the degree of waterproofing I need, but I was still hoping to be able to utilize some type of non-catalyzed one step glue(for both ease of use, and to minimize waste). If its due to milling issues or technique, it doesnt matter what glue you use. Concerning glue creep, a boatbuilding friend of mine once glued teak gunwale strips on a 30 steamboat, bent around the hull using epoxy and no screws. it seems to be pretty strong and Ive not had any issues with it. Dap Resorcicnol Glue has been discontinued by the manufacturer. Click Here to view Titebond III Ultimate on Amazon. Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue is a further improvement on Titebond II, being fully waterproof and able to cope with extreme temperatures. I think it would have to be very hot weather before I would take the clamps off in that timeframe. TBIII won because it is available at the local lumber yard but TBII extended is 75 miles down the coast. Perfect for laminating waterskis, etc. I want to paint the boards after the glue application, with exterior latex paint. My worry is that based on what Ive read, Titebond 3 looses strength as the temperature rises and could cause my joints to open. I have not had any issues with creep, and I personally hope my repairs are permanent, not temporary. On something so small it might be ok. Since I try to save money when I can I normally buy Titebond I and only when I am really worried about the glue line showing up in dark wood I use Titebond III. Great summary you should put this on the new forum in the joinery/construction section.
I have heard that spackle will pop out of the holes in time. Also the Marinepoxy from Bateau.com is quite good as well. I decided to start this site to educate others on the things I have learnt.
Some of these paddles will be used for running bigger whitewater, so they need to be strong and durable. You've only seen one page. It is great for particleboard, MDF, plywood, and other porous materials. But it depends on the rate of movement of each individual species and whether theres enough of a difference to cause an issue. All the hardware needed to handle any job. Its completely ripped off and the hinges are in place. Make sure to clean away excess glue before it dries as Titebond wood glues to do not take stain. Or should I glue then dip immediately. Titebond III Ultimate: Titebond III Ultimate contains crushed walnut shells to give the finished product a nice, natural Light Brown color when dry. Professional-strength, waterproof glue specifically designed for multi-purpose applications.
As to epoxy recommendations, West System 105/205 206 207 209 are amine cure products. It is almost 8 long so it takes a lot of time to glue. Any one have any experience using it?? I like the idea that that titebond 2 & 3 dry darker but I have read that some manufacturers have said that titebond 1 works better on Walnut. Just built my little girl a swingset with Titebond III and love the consistency and worktime. Titebond III is basically the best of Titebond I & II and put together in one bottle! So again, if you routinely paddle your boat over boiling water, maybe resorcinol is a better choice. Never use it in a very cold shopbad results! They may get wet occasionally but are not out in the elements 24/7. Titebond have a great range of adhesives, you just need to decide which one fits the project you are working on. It works well for some applications, and sometimes is better than Titebond and other PVA glues on wood as explained below. Ive used it for years and never had problems. For medium density woods (cherry, soft maple): 150-200 psi. Woodwork Hubby is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. I was asking how to extend Titebond IIIs set time. So at least for me, the deciding factor may just come down to the color of the glue line. Limitations: Titebond III passes ANSI/HPVA Type I water-resistance tests. Is this them covering themselves legally or should I be more careful? A properly-fit joint with the appropriate amount of pressure will create an incredibly strong and reliable bond using any of the three glues. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. All of our woodworking projects are going to be slightly different and I can see why there is often some confusion over which Titebond glue to use. Interestingly enough, epoxy doesnt pass the type 1 WBP test that TiteBond III does, so from a mil spec view point, epoxy isnt waterproof. I DO want the wood (yellow cedar) to silver uniformly. Am I breaking any cardinal rules of woodworking if I try mixing both soft/hard woods together in the same paddle layup (whether in the handle shaft and/or in the paddle blades) or am I inviting future cracking issues if I attempt this, due to the different inherent characteristics of these materials (such as density, dryness, etc?) I thought I would quickly summarize which glue suits which applications to make it easier for you on your next project. In saying this, I have needed to use Titebond III on a cutting board that had light-colored wood. A wagon wheel table and large chairs. I had that experience the first time I used Gorilla glue. He asks: Hey Marc I have a really dumb question for you. thanks, this can be significant, where the article appears to say all other factors between 2 and 3 are too small to concern our selves. Supposedly the II and III are not good for instrument building. Ive learned a lot from this thread already! Thanks very much. The only glue you should use on a violin is hide glue. Thanks for the info Marc. Its the only time Ive bought it as a result. My goal is more about strength in the dry area I live in and not as much about the concerns of the mess of guerrilla glue if that is a choice. I was going to say the same thing. Is one really better than another? Was it pre or post construction? They rely on absorption into a fibrous material to work properly. I glue a lot of wood and fiberglass laminates for both interiors and marine applications. Say you are building some wooden deck chairs that are kept under a covered porch. If you occasionally make outdoor projects and cutting boards, stock up on Titebond II instead. Titebond Melamine Glue is designed for bonding wood, particleboard, MDF and other porous substrates to synthetic materials such as melamine, vinyl and HPL as well as metals. The best glue for this application wood molding glue because it is designed to be thicker and will not run or drip when applied to the face of a vertical surface. This is outdoor patio furniture. I've glued up panels in the summer for 10 minutes and then sent them through the planer and then the panel bevel on a shaper. Titebond III offers twice the open time of Titebond II and Original. I will be using 2 x 6 x 8 lumber, and the bench will be 3 x 96. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Ive seen it before and had to repair the damage. Most of our yellow and white glues, including Titebond Original and Titebond II, remain usable beyond two years. Maybe a silly question butwill either Titebond II or III bond to a wood surface which has been stained which contained a sealer as well? Im guessing it is legal coverage. Titebond III 800 psi (yes thats an 80% loss from the room temp value) Different substrates can be addressed, like bonding a fastener in concrete, or to aluminum, steel, wood, etc., all easily addressed with technique. Well I dont know about you guys, but I am not about to stock three different types of PVA glue just for the sake of a few hundred theoretical PSI. Tricks for keeping Gorilla glue: This time it happens to be Titebond III. It doesnt stick to itself, which makes repairs a pain in the butt joint. The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. When chalking occurs, the glued joint loses strength. Now the walnut lumber in question was bought at an estate auction. Do NOT use Titebod III for paddles. Certainly in my day today work, the answer is no. Especially working time? If you have any questions for adhesive realted articles feel free to shoot me an e-mail or I can give you my direct line. The problem with a previously-glued joint is theres probably still glue on the surfaces. My idea is to use a more waterproof fabric application, also using a waterproof fabric, eliminating many of the issues associated with this covering technique. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'woodworkhubby_com-banner-1','ezslot_6',114,'0','0'])};if(typeof __ez_fad_cmd!='undefined'){__ez_fad_cmd.push('div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-1-0');}else{__ez_fad_cmd=['div-gpt-ad-woodworkhubby_com-banner-1-0'];};It is also the perfect craft or hobby glue and can be sanded and finished easily. It does not have to set completely but it needs to hold so that working on the next strip does not move it. On Titebonds Web site, it states, Titebond II Strength 3750 psi Wood failure rate 72% I went through the very scientific approach of picking a glue by watching as many videos as possible of woodworkers, and paid attention to what color the label was on the glue bottle they used. So now its come time for you to glue up your project but with so many opinions about Titebond glues, does Titebond wood glue dry clear? Check out our handy guide on the different varieties of Titebond wood glues! If you work with epoxy regularly, as I do, these are huge considerations, besides the price. As far as strength, these days if you have a tight joint the wood will fail before the glue so the strength of titebond II is more than enough for me. Ive used quite a bit of it over the years, though in recent decades, not so much with the advent of epoxy formulations. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. In fact, I dont use PVAs at all on structural elements, mostly because of creep. Every version of Titebond has this certification. Thanks for any direction, I recently had a large glue-up where I exceeded the open time of Titebond III (10 minutes). How to make slime without glue or activator, Titebond 5004 II Premium Wood Glue, 16-Ounces - 2 Pack, Titebond Franklin International 5005 II Premium Wood Glue, 1 Gal, Franklin International 5064 Titebond Original Wood Glue, 16-Ounce, 2 Pack, Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue, 16-Ounces #1414, 3 Pack, Titebond Wood Glue Differences: (What version should you use? It hardened and was ruined. Timber Grain is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program. I thought I had everything in order, but as you know sometimes glue-ups, especially complicated ones, dont go quite to plan. The glue lines have shrunk up quite a bit, but are still holding. Yikes! If I had one I would probably get some TB III in a small bottle for that project. As for mixing woods, its hard to say. You can find more about the site on the about page. I have always had great results. I will wax dip the hives at 150c for 12 minutes to preserve the pine timber. Lastly, the biggest issue I have with the PVAs is repair. What glue would you recommend for building laminated wood canoe paddles? Elmers White School Glue Review and Guide, The Original Super Glue Review and Guide, Elmers Carpenters Wood Glue Review and Guide, Tear Mender Instant Fabric and Leather Adhesive review. To clamp, wrap several long strips of blue tape around edge of broken door piece to hold firmly to the rest of the door. Not so with hide glue. No impact on the piece, only on having the clamps tied up if you have several pieces to glue. white spruce in in the mid to upper 20 pound per cubic foot range, which is light. Im not a big fan of Gorilla glue because of the foaming you have to keep wiping it for about half an hour but it does have its uses. Im glad I was able to help! It took me about 15 minutes from start to completion. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. If looking for a quality, non-amine cure epoxy (non-blushing, less reactive to people), try Raka or one of the products at Progressive Polymers. If joint is with the grain, will be virtually invisible. December might be a tip off of at least some issues to exploreeither with the material or the glue. As I mentioned, my current testing is exploring the strong points of this goo, such as its elongation and ability to recover with environmental changes. I used to use it a lot, and it was a very good glue. Firstly, it will release on heat. I bought a very small bottle about a year ago for a very small outdoor repair.
But my gut reaction is that its fine. Thank you! These tend to blush and for some folks also can be reactive (allergic).West does offer some fine professional grade epoxies and specialty formulations, some of which cant be beat. To: The Lonely Guy Out There Reading Down This Thread Getting All Worked Up About Glue. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. We have lots more on the site to show you. This time, after using a small amount, I followed the directions on the bottle and squeezed the air out of it before I capped it. Resorcinol is an option, though I wouldnt recommend it, unless you have perfectly fitted joints and can employ lots of clamping pressure. Anyone else having experiences similar to Gabe? Once the post was in the concrete and it had cured, I put a bead of gray concrete caulking at the bottom of the post so that water cannot seep in. I recently bought Titebond 3 under the assumption (but mostly by recommendation) that it was a great WATERPROOF glue as claimed, but then later found that its Not for continuous submersion or for use below the waterline. Personally, I dont see how something can be considered or marketed as waterproof if it doesnt fully fit that description, so I was misleadand so were my friends who highly recommended it. Its bagged in place for the first portion of the cure. I would look into the marine industry adhesives. If its outside its best date I guess I will have to purchase a new bottle. Jason, good question. I work with several adhesives in yacht building, restoration and repair. Epoxy choices can range from the 5 minute stuff found at the local big box store (dont use it) to the full blown high tech stuff employed on the Americas Cub boats. Obviously I can cover it, but its still going to be exposed to winters and summers and some inevitable moisture. Wondering if theres any water resistant sealer or coating that I can put on the thing? But I have used CA glue to fill a small bullet hole in the surface of a black walnut table I built, and if you dont know it is there you would be hard pressed to find it. Heat and humidity in the Houston area is hard to deal with on shelf life especially if you have senior moments and forget to bring the glue inside. Of course it rained the next day. If you use Titebond, which is a very good glue, you will never be able to take the fiddle apart if it needs work done in the future. There are three basic versions of Titebond available on the market today, here is a brief explanation of the differences between each one to help you decide which is right for you: Titebond original wood glue is a standard PVA wood glue. I do a lot of small veneer projects, and have always used a cold set veneer glue (Better Bond). I wonder if there is any difference between the three in the visibility of the glue line on light-colored woods. Should bind to just about anything. Here i am, completely out of my league and have no experience with glue or wood but i am determined to fix a piece of furniture i saved from side of road.it is a very clean no stain wood cabinet. So our stuff is probably more stable than most places. I need to replace a broken part that was bonded to another with Titebond II. :icon_smile: Learning more about tools everyday :thumbsup: Typically, I'll leave mortise and tenon or edge to edge glue ups in clamps over night. If youre creating a project for use with food, such as repairing or building a cutting board, a bowl or a knife holder, you can rest assured that should any food come in contact with your project, it will not pose any health risk to you. Both surfaces should have an equal amount of glue, spread thinly and uniformly across the entire surface. Check out the PSI strength ratings below. For use on wood-to-wood and on most other porous materials where a water resistant glue is required. Id recommend the basic no blush from epoxyproducts.com (tell them PAR sent you) and also Marinepoxy from Bateau.com as the best substitutes, in regard to price per gallon, non-blush and reactivity. It stays hard until actually melted. An example: I needed to replace my privacy fence because of exposure and finally our microbursts that we get in West Denver did it in.