Nice duct work! I did find that you can buy some if not most Nordfab ducting from Grizzly and Grainger but pricing can vary drastically from reasonable to very expensive. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004T86NAK/?tag=toolguyd-20. This is cleaner air than my house! I've tripped on them enough.
This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v, Editor's Letter: Technology and the future of woodworking. My test so far have consisted of some light use, but I did connect this to my bandsaw which is a Grizzly 17, with two 4 ports. ), Less initial assembly effort (I don't really care about this factor), Smaller diameter (4"), more flexible, and much less expensive ducting (this is probably the biggest factor for Oneida). Is it OK to copy projects from the magazine? /r/woodworking is your home on reddit for furniture, toys, tools, wood, glue, and anything else that has to do with woodworking as a hobby or profession. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when Im out there for an afternoon and running tools. back to Safety in the Woodworking Shop forum, Topic tags/keywords: My 5 year old Oneida (which is now a 5HP, though it was born as a 2HP) separates to factory specs (99%, actually mine gets 98.4% by volume the one time I measured it) but in my criteria that's not good enough. Anyone have experience with this? I switched from an Oneida SDG to a CV1800, so that should clarify my opinion between the 2. I built a storage room onto my shop, and have lumber storage, cyclone, air compressor and a tire machine in there. Ive had a CV1800 for 7 years. The motor label says it will draw 26 amps if you convert it to 110 volts. -- Charles Neil.
They take up more space, and are a pain in the butt to move around, the bag style units are loud and inefficient. I worked for years with a small jet dust collector that had 2 cloth bags and was run through a Lee Valley cyclone top over a garbage can. My longest run is about 20 feet as the hose lays. I also have the QF piping. It also solves a lot of other problems (no filter cleaning, etc.) This is cleaner air than my house! They are portable, fairly quiet, have large steel impellers, built in cyclone, remote control and, since you are not limited to a budget, the auto clean option is a nice thing to have. tips? Your woodworking skills are displayed for several lifetimes in each project. My shop is smaller, and I landed on a hybrid approach. What factors will determine whether I am happy with it after paying the cost and doing all the work of installation?
:). Latest Blog Entries | It took me hours and hours to figure it all out on my own but I think if someone else had done it online it would have been short on parts or I would have been left with extra parts I didnt need.If you have questions feel free to PM me with your number and Id be happy to share my experience with the entire process. Its pretty quick and no tools needed to switch connections. My Ridgid shop vac is fitted with a Dust Deputy, and lives next to and connected to my chopsaw via an expandable 2" hose, and is then also available to service smaller tools like RO sander, disc/belt sander, Kreg pocket jig, oscillating sander, and of course to do normal shop vac cleanup duty. I have the Oneida V3000 (older style w/metal cyclone). It is by far the best shop purchase I have made.
Todd,do you have a hot water furnace in your garage? I emailed Oneida Air Systems, too. Good building to you in your new shop. I ended up with an Onieda system and purchased QF pipe as well. Built in the year 2000. Ive been doing a lot more wood work and with the winter the doors are best kept closed to keep warm. Their pricing saved me about $400 on the who thing which equates to about a 15% discount over Nordfab. It will work fine. I paid 750 for it, and was very happy to.
Im not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; Im sucking up wood chips not rocks.
My guess is that all the vendors will give you a 10% discount if you pressure them, some will just do it right off the bat (I had one out of 3 that I contacted give me the 10% off with the initial quote with out asking). Im not entirely sure it was worth it yet to be perfectly honest. Once again, Dad was right. Next I assembled 4 inch sewer pipe duct along the base of 3 walls with gates for the big machines and a port for smaller stuff. dust collection. Who makes a better dust collection systemthe Oneida 5HP or the Clearvue 5HP? The motor on the Tempest has specs and a diagram to go from 220 to 110V. House used to have two ovens. They are high quality, and have excellent customer service. Not as elegant and sexy as a fixed duct system, but very functional, easier to maintain, and saved a ton 'o dollars. Looking for help with Are you unsure of which tools, or hardware, you need, or which brands to buy? With that number of machines you wont have much space left to work in! Share your tips and challenges Before you pick up those woodworking tools, take the time to ensure your safety in the shop! Thanks everyonei really appreciate your insights. I've learned to avoid the hose across my path and can disconnect and move it when needed. Violations to rule 1 including crude jokes, innuendo, sexist remarks, politics, or hate speech may result in an immediate ban. Al, in the first paragraph of mine that you quoted, there is a typo. Oneida is metal, made in USA. Connection to a 3 HP tablesaw is mostly permanent. My jet didn't do so well with tools with small ports so I bought 4 dust collector vacuums and located them next to tools that needed them. https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v. I want my time in the shop to be spent on my hobby, not fiddling with pipes and hoses anymore.
I can live with a shop vac that is that loud but (thats what my current shop vac measures, 74 db) but it begins to annoy me shortly after I turn off the saw if I leave it on.
Share your "joinery" discussion here. Let me clarify, when I say an annex room I really mean a room external to the garage.
I ve also heard about the Oneida having less effective dust separation with their cyclone design. Relief, 3D, chip-carving, whittling; carving knives, chisels, pocket-knives, power tools. Ive seen and read some negative things about both but more concerning reviews with ClearVue. I have an older Super Dust Gorilla and very happy but am jealous of your new machine with the increased suck. So I think it was worth the effort to put the unit out in a external room for not only the sound but also it provides me more room in the shop. This forum is for all the woodturners out there. Both great options, and I really have no complaints with either. I have a bag steel city unit I got on sale and a dust deputy on a 55 gal drum. Everything in my shop is on casters so I can move it into position as needed. Rabbeting a shelf; Strength vs. appearance, Editor's Letter: A new tool with every project. It really cuts down on the noise from the DC, and air compressor in the work area. I was short one clamp and I ordered an Nordfab clamp to use on the US Duct pipe and it works as well or better than the US Duct clamps. In a shop that size a portable will probably be best. The hose tucks under the extension table along with the collector.
Get complete site access to video workshops, digital plans library, online archive, and more, plus the print magazine. Primarily I bought this for the soft start and the varialble speed (VFD) which is supposed to increase the WC pressure based on the system port opening.
It will handle 4 inch ports as well as 1.5 inch ports. Rob. No difference. You will need to move the hose from machine to machine. In looking at the model you have, it appears to me that Oneida has changed the dimensions of their DCs quite a bit, principally the body diameter. I suppose I could have used a section of hose for that, but I questioned the effectiveness of pulling dust and chips through that. I realize that most Oneida owners are quite happy with their DC. My feeling is if you have the budget, dont scrimp on DC and try to cobble together a system like I have. Thanks. Flexibility is key for me because I m sure my next shop will have a completely different layout. Also you can download the price list off Nordfab which is exactly what I was quoted (with out the 10% off) if you want to price it all out on your own. I was busy for a couple of years switching the intake hose around from machine to machine as I used each one and finally got sick of doing that, especially when going back and forth between machines several times. Need a break from all the standing and wood dust?
:) I started with a hose that I moved around with DC then parked DC under stair landing and drug hose around. Should you go with the CV (just got it installed last summer), the annex room makes a lot of sense (not sure the venting out does, but thats a heating thing). "I long for the days when coke was a cola and a joint was a bad place to be" (Merle Haggard). The overhead pipe might have been nice, but a had to go around a triple laminated beam which would have added four 45 degree els to the pipe and been a pain to plumb on a 9 ft ceiling. Then the big sawdust will get collected and the fine dust (the stuff that damages you lungs) does not vent inside the shop. It's really the best shop machine investment I every made. I can buy the Laguna on sale for a lot less money, but I'm leaning toward the Supercell. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Im thinking of building a small external structure (against the side of the garage) to house the DC system and simply vent externally. In my shop they performed very comparably.
That becomes more important if you use a drum sander a lot. But that's a lot of CFM to pull out of the room and if there is, say, a gas water heater in there, you may also pull in exhaust fumes, blow out the pilot, or create some other problems. I have an Excalibur overarm guard on the saw, and it will suck the insert up.
The ductwork is easy to run and again, more efficient than hose. I had about 40 ft of duct plus a run of pvc across floor to center of garage where I clustered the cabinet saw, planer and jointer. As for the 16 impellerthis thing moves an absolutely incredible amount of air. Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual.
I'm going to keep the ductwork as moving the DC around was a pain, but I'm going to buy or make premium self-cleaning blast gates and either replace the bag with a cannister filter, or more likely just mount the motor on an outside wall under a simple roof.
Stumpy nubs has created a good series of videos on dust collection. I'm still undecided but all the responses have given me much to research and consider. Good Luck If you have the money, consider the Supercell. If I had not been so frugal in the beginning, I think all the stuff I've bought previously would have paid for the best. Great company! I ran a single 5" trunk along the ceiling with 2 drops and allowance for a future third drop. . As far as using the DC for hand tools like a sander, track saw, router the high static pressure of the supercell is far superior when moving air through a small 1.5 in hose. It was ok. -- Paul Mayer, http://youtube.com/c/toolmetrix. Im not sure this is a great idea but Im wondering if it is an option. My jointer is at a right angle to the saw. Oneida has chosen to balance the extra separation with the considerable costs of moving to a Pentz type design.
I have had zero issues with my 3 hp Oneida over the past 13 years I have owned it. The Jet DC-1100VX-CK is on sale for 480 bucks on Amazon. My father used to tell me that "it never costs to go first class, it pays". Its a 1.5hp model and runs off 110 with a dedicated breaker. 2022 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. Anything that I have thrown at them they have handled really well! My current system was the simplest and got me back to work on wood instead of plumbing from a ladder.
Wen filter overhead. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. If you call the company they'll sell you what you need, online you can only get sets, and you'll need an odd mix. For anyone needed a dust collector, jump on this one. This regards the quality of the equipment, tech support of the equipment and any needed repairs, sales and service of ductwork and other accessories as well as help with two major and two minor shop redesigns along the way. Not sure what is what here or if theres a big difference.
I also wanted to avoid fixed ducting while lowering the hassle factor, and came up with a simple economical system that I've been quite pleased with. I have it in the corner of my basement shop area. Much higher airflow - seems more likely to collect dust that doesn't behave and go into a dustport, Cool factor - see the dust swirl around and down a clear plastic cyclone, Generic filters (Supercell filter appears to be custom-made and proprietary, no telling how hard it will be to replace in time), This is a reminder to those commenting on this post (not the person that posted it): Comments not related to woodworking will be removed. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear.
Previously had a Jet DC650 I bought in 2000. I would think that would seriously improve the separation from the one I had.
The 1.5 horse dust collector is more than efficient and collects down to 1 micron with a blast gates at each machine. For me, this dust collector right now will only be for my Sawstop table saw, miter saw, and eventually a Hammer A3-41 jointer/planer. I have 5 blast-gate zones for the different equipment connected via metal ducting. Flexibility is key for me because Im sure my next shop will have a completely different layout.
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I have a multistage filter on the ceiling for ambient, but I don't use it as much as I should. a tip/strategy to share? I was thinking the same way about dust collection when I built my 20' by 24' shop and bought a Grisley "portable 2 stage dust collector. Have you had to compromise your project On the lathe, by the lathe: do you have questions? They were always nice to talk to but from what I can tell the first level staff sales and tech support know very little. Ive seen the previous posts here on LJ but most of them are several years old, so I thought it was worth posting again. If you are a carver or want Intarsia, fretwork, intricate design cutting and more! frustrations? The hoses are all either against a wall or between the machines and the DC in a way I dont really ever trip over them. Congrats. All of them were slow or inconsistent to respond, which I found frustrating but I imagine I was a very small order compared to what they normally get. With just a 4 port open it is pushing 76+ db. I inherited a Dust collector, PSI Tempest TEMP14xx I think. If you have the budget, I recommend the Oneida Supercell. After you get it set up, I'd be interested to hear your personal impressions/opinions of the unit. Youll read opinions about both that are good and bad but the bottom line is that both are reasonable options and will perform well enough to provide you with clean air. Im leaning towards the flexibility of using Norfab or equivalent QF piping as I seem to move things around.I currently have a router, table saw, bench top planer, and miter saw (with out a permanent station). I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Both systems look good but which one is better? I should add, I regularly get bashed for peeing on the Oneida name, so I'll add that all of this is just my opinion. Thanks again to all. I find changing connections is not so bad because I plan my work so I don't have to change machines back and forth. It does require more effort than the Oneida for setup and more attention to detail, but once it was set up, it s been great. Manitarios results with enclosing are more (I guess) what you would experience. Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal- For woodworkers of all levels (part 6), Repair oil finish on oak kitchen countertops. It's all hooked up with overhead ductwork and blast gates. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear. For those Oneida owners, did you ever feel like it did not have enough suction power to meet your tool needs? Then I upgraded to an 8 inch jointer, 15 inch planer and added a second bandsaw (18 inch Laguna) and a dust deputy with small fiber drum at the planer and jointer. Id also like to rig this up for a hood or downdraft table for sanding.Im a bit torn on what company to go with here Oneida or ClearVue. It's tricky when you have more stuff than space.
I did install this in a closet external to the shop/garage and then run the ducting into the shop above the rafters. Post a layout of your shop when you get it done - I know I could use your ideas. I contacted a couple others I found on Bills site as well. OK, alright, but being told that really doesn't help. This is a one-person shop, 20x30 ft, and the main tools are (1) table saw, (2) radial arm saw, (3) chop saw, (4) Dewalt 12" planer, (5) shaper, and (6-10) various hand-held power tools - all to be used one-at-a-time, and all have dust ports that are 4" or less. Wood, your hand tools, you and a little know-how. The Jet has two 4 outlets (or one 6 if you take the 4 outlets off). Interested in my woodworking, workshop and whatnot?
If you send them a floor plan with machine layout they will design your system for you with a complete parts list for a turn key installation (They stock everything you will need). Wish me luck. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when I m out there for an afternoon and running tools. If you are selling your work, then you have entered a woodworking dimension with added complexity and stress. This forum is for scrollsawers: share your tips, ask questions Have a question? -- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress. Basement shop. Particularly in a small cramped shop. This is super nice for general clean up. If it was all overhead ductwork with dedicated connections that might be different. It separates dust effectively. Good luck. First I cannot imagine how you have room for all that equipment, a workbench, outfeed table, wood, sheet goods and tool storage in a 20x20 space! Therefore you will likely need to do some electrical work whichever voltage you choose so, in my opinion, you might as well install a 220 volt 20 amp circuit in your shop. Oneida seems to be relatively low air volume at high static pressure. | Copyright
I probably will do the same, eventually, maybe, I guess.
Two things I should add.One I bought an Onieda Dust Gorilla Pro. After that while, the blast gates get jammed with dust so don't close, the joints in the pipe work loose (unless you seal them permanently, then you can't clear blockages) and the cheap bag on the DC just discharges fine dust into the air. The Oneida outperforms the CV on my longest duct runs, but just slightly. I used KB duct (cheaper than Nordfab) but experience showed me that the Nordfab clamps are better so used them with the KB ducting. Agree with others. The drops are 4" and both service the area I roll machines into, one from above and one from beolw. I really don't think I can go wrong with either option. I am a big fan of the Laguna C flux or (P flux if you want to go HEPA) collectors. Oneida also offers a add-on silencer to further drop the noise of their cyclones. I added a small over head air filter near my workbench where most of the sanding is done. Terms of Service What's you favorite honing guide, that precisely and repeatably hones square? I cannot recall the model number exactly. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, 1) CV1800 + filter @ $1595 + $250 for electrical box, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Update. Using a jig is like having a couple extra hands helping out. We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter. You need to re think portable. When I bought the Jet I switched to the Dust Right flex hose and quick change couplers from Rockler. It almost drove me crazy and out of the shop for good.
Not really limited to a budget but Im looking for something compact due to space limitations as i do have a cabinet saw,lathe,planer,jointer, router table,bandsaw and miter saw. Love to hear the feedback from those of you with recent experience with these products. I have no problem with the plastic model, but the steel one might be a little more quiet. Hope your setup goes well ! I am happy for the most part but was disappointed in a number of aspects from the sale to the delivery. Clearvue is relatively high air volume at low static pressure. I have a similar size shop. I don't have time to fiddle with hoses. In-depth articles, up-close photography, and detailed illustrations, getting back into woodworking after a 15 year hiatus (retiring). Not sure how much of an issue this is in real life though. As for how loud they are, the installation (mine is in a corner which gives me maximum sound reflection; and my sound meter is a $20 Amazon job.
I am pondering either the Oneida V3000 or the ClearVue CV1800 or CVMax. It's cramped but I can't fall and hit the floor. Planer, joiner, and router table share the 4" hose with Rockler Dust Right fittings. Not sure how much of an issue this is in real life though. The only thing Ive had to replace is the filter after 5 years of use.
Slightly finer particle filter (0.3 micron vs 0.5 for Clearvue, but is this a significant difference? I'm in a small basement shop: Stationary 1.5hp DC mounted high in the corner with a cyclone below. Eyes, ears, fingers, and Are you looking for or do you have tips to share regarding the workshop? I finally got escalated to a VP and got some answers, which seemed legit. One other idea is to have your dust collection located and venting outside of your shop. I need a shop with accordion walls. I dont have a way (yet) to determine if this is working as stated in the literature and theres some things that make me question it. UNLIMITED membership - Get access to it all. I think the quality between the two companies is very similar. Press J to jump to the feed. Maybe a couple of travel trailers with slide outs cobbled together. I have a 3 car garage and all but have decided theres no chance more than one car will ever fit in there and that said a car hasnt sat in the garage for several months now. Ive had very good experiences with the Oneida staff as well. Latest Projects | For a while.
If you are only going to be sucking through one 4 inch dust port at a time then the supercell is the way to go. My concern with Oneida products is that they minimize their filter area; I wonder how this affects the airflow with use eg. I m not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; I m sucking up wood chips not rocks. I don't want a mobile collector because I don't have the room to move it. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. Thanks for all the valuable insights everyone! Get instant access to over 100 digital plans available only to UNLIMITED members. I don t have any complaints about the CV and haven t had any problems with it. I wish I could vent outside, it would solve all of my current complaints with my Oneida.
Its not far from the shop. The finish, whether paint, wax, stain, or something else, can make or break a project. I built a double wall closet to house mine in and that makes it pretty quiet. Latest Forum Topics. Then a Fein that I can roll around, but usually hooked up to the Bandsaw with a remote. So keep thinking this through. It has a small footprint, lots of power, and a HEPA filter. Jim. DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ.
I spend a lot time moving hoses around but it's the best setup I could manage given the space. I would highly recomend that you either design this on your own very carefully or have someone design it for you (preferably be on site). You can make the change.
I think you're comparing a bit of apples to oranges here. Im not going to bash Oneida but Im not going to give them a plug here either. Both brands are compatible with each other. For my health Ive decided I have to drop some cash on a good dust collection system to capture as much as possible.Ive read through much of Bill Pentzs stuff and have some idea what is necessary, but have noticed theres been no updates in years now. This isnt ideal but I live in California and the warm or hot days far out number the cold days, so venting air outside isnt ideal at times but it is probably not an issue and it could be helpful in the summer.
This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v, Editor's Letter: Technology and the future of woodworking. My test so far have consisted of some light use, but I did connect this to my bandsaw which is a Grizzly 17, with two 4 ports. ), Less initial assembly effort (I don't really care about this factor), Smaller diameter (4"), more flexible, and much less expensive ducting (this is probably the biggest factor for Oneida). Is it OK to copy projects from the magazine? /r/woodworking is your home on reddit for furniture, toys, tools, wood, glue, and anything else that has to do with woodworking as a hobby or profession. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when Im out there for an afternoon and running tools. back to Safety in the Woodworking Shop forum, Topic tags/keywords: My 5 year old Oneida (which is now a 5HP, though it was born as a 2HP) separates to factory specs (99%, actually mine gets 98.4% by volume the one time I measured it) but in my criteria that's not good enough. Anyone have experience with this? I switched from an Oneida SDG to a CV1800, so that should clarify my opinion between the 2. I built a storage room onto my shop, and have lumber storage, cyclone, air compressor and a tire machine in there. Ive had a CV1800 for 7 years. The motor label says it will draw 26 amps if you convert it to 110 volts. -- Charles Neil.
They take up more space, and are a pain in the butt to move around, the bag style units are loud and inefficient. I worked for years with a small jet dust collector that had 2 cloth bags and was run through a Lee Valley cyclone top over a garbage can. My longest run is about 20 feet as the hose lays. I also have the QF piping. It also solves a lot of other problems (no filter cleaning, etc.) This is cleaner air than my house! They are portable, fairly quiet, have large steel impellers, built in cyclone, remote control and, since you are not limited to a budget, the auto clean option is a nice thing to have. tips? Your woodworking skills are displayed for several lifetimes in each project. My shop is smaller, and I landed on a hybrid approach. What factors will determine whether I am happy with it after paying the cost and doing all the work of installation?
:). Latest Blog Entries | It took me hours and hours to figure it all out on my own but I think if someone else had done it online it would have been short on parts or I would have been left with extra parts I didnt need.If you have questions feel free to PM me with your number and Id be happy to share my experience with the entire process. Its pretty quick and no tools needed to switch connections. My Ridgid shop vac is fitted with a Dust Deputy, and lives next to and connected to my chopsaw via an expandable 2" hose, and is then also available to service smaller tools like RO sander, disc/belt sander, Kreg pocket jig, oscillating sander, and of course to do normal shop vac cleanup duty. I have the Oneida V3000 (older style w/metal cyclone). It is by far the best shop purchase I have made.
Todd,do you have a hot water furnace in your garage? I emailed Oneida Air Systems, too. Good building to you in your new shop. I ended up with an Onieda system and purchased QF pipe as well. Built in the year 2000. Ive been doing a lot more wood work and with the winter the doors are best kept closed to keep warm. Their pricing saved me about $400 on the who thing which equates to about a 15% discount over Nordfab. It will work fine. I paid 750 for it, and was very happy to.
Im not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; Im sucking up wood chips not rocks.
My guess is that all the vendors will give you a 10% discount if you pressure them, some will just do it right off the bat (I had one out of 3 that I contacted give me the 10% off with the initial quote with out asking). Im not entirely sure it was worth it yet to be perfectly honest. Once again, Dad was right. Next I assembled 4 inch sewer pipe duct along the base of 3 walls with gates for the big machines and a port for smaller stuff. dust collection. Who makes a better dust collection systemthe Oneida 5HP or the Clearvue 5HP? The motor on the Tempest has specs and a diagram to go from 220 to 110V. House used to have two ovens. They are high quality, and have excellent customer service. Not as elegant and sexy as a fixed duct system, but very functional, easier to maintain, and saved a ton 'o dollars. Looking for help with Are you unsure of which tools, or hardware, you need, or which brands to buy? With that number of machines you wont have much space left to work in! Share your tips and challenges Before you pick up those woodworking tools, take the time to ensure your safety in the shop! Thanks everyonei really appreciate your insights. I've learned to avoid the hose across my path and can disconnect and move it when needed. Violations to rule 1 including crude jokes, innuendo, sexist remarks, politics, or hate speech may result in an immediate ban. Al, in the first paragraph of mine that you quoted, there is a typo. Oneida is metal, made in USA. Connection to a 3 HP tablesaw is mostly permanent. My jet didn't do so well with tools with small ports so I bought 4 dust collector vacuums and located them next to tools that needed them. https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v. I want my time in the shop to be spent on my hobby, not fiddling with pipes and hoses anymore.
I can live with a shop vac that is that loud but (thats what my current shop vac measures, 74 db) but it begins to annoy me shortly after I turn off the saw if I leave it on.
Share your "joinery" discussion here. Let me clarify, when I say an annex room I really mean a room external to the garage.
I ve also heard about the Oneida having less effective dust separation with their cyclone design. Relief, 3D, chip-carving, whittling; carving knives, chisels, pocket-knives, power tools. Ive seen and read some negative things about both but more concerning reviews with ClearVue. I have an older Super Dust Gorilla and very happy but am jealous of your new machine with the increased suck. So I think it was worth the effort to put the unit out in a external room for not only the sound but also it provides me more room in the shop. This forum is for all the woodturners out there. Both great options, and I really have no complaints with either. I have a bag steel city unit I got on sale and a dust deputy on a 55 gal drum. Everything in my shop is on casters so I can move it into position as needed. Rabbeting a shelf; Strength vs. appearance, Editor's Letter: A new tool with every project. It really cuts down on the noise from the DC, and air compressor in the work area. I was short one clamp and I ordered an Nordfab clamp to use on the US Duct pipe and it works as well or better than the US Duct clamps. In a shop that size a portable will probably be best. The hose tucks under the extension table along with the collector.
Get complete site access to video workshops, digital plans library, online archive, and more, plus the print magazine. Primarily I bought this for the soft start and the varialble speed (VFD) which is supposed to increase the WC pressure based on the system port opening.
It will handle 4 inch ports as well as 1.5 inch ports. Rob. No difference. You will need to move the hose from machine to machine. In looking at the model you have, it appears to me that Oneida has changed the dimensions of their DCs quite a bit, principally the body diameter. I suppose I could have used a section of hose for that, but I questioned the effectiveness of pulling dust and chips through that. I realize that most Oneida owners are quite happy with their DC. My feeling is if you have the budget, dont scrimp on DC and try to cobble together a system like I have. Thanks. Flexibility is key for me because I m sure my next shop will have a completely different layout. Also you can download the price list off Nordfab which is exactly what I was quoted (with out the 10% off) if you want to price it all out on your own. I was busy for a couple of years switching the intake hose around from machine to machine as I used each one and finally got sick of doing that, especially when going back and forth between machines several times. Need a break from all the standing and wood dust?
:) I started with a hose that I moved around with DC then parked DC under stair landing and drug hose around. Should you go with the CV (just got it installed last summer), the annex room makes a lot of sense (not sure the venting out does, but thats a heating thing). "I long for the days when coke was a cola and a joint was a bad place to be" (Merle Haggard). The overhead pipe might have been nice, but a had to go around a triple laminated beam which would have added four 45 degree els to the pipe and been a pain to plumb on a 9 ft ceiling. Then the big sawdust will get collected and the fine dust (the stuff that damages you lungs) does not vent inside the shop. It's really the best shop machine investment I every made. I can buy the Laguna on sale for a lot less money, but I'm leaning toward the Supercell. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Im thinking of building a small external structure (against the side of the garage) to house the DC system and simply vent externally. In my shop they performed very comparably.
That becomes more important if you use a drum sander a lot. But that's a lot of CFM to pull out of the room and if there is, say, a gas water heater in there, you may also pull in exhaust fumes, blow out the pilot, or create some other problems. I have an Excalibur overarm guard on the saw, and it will suck the insert up.
The ductwork is easy to run and again, more efficient than hose. I had about 40 ft of duct plus a run of pvc across floor to center of garage where I clustered the cabinet saw, planer and jointer. As for the 16 impellerthis thing moves an absolutely incredible amount of air. Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual.
I'm going to keep the ductwork as moving the DC around was a pain, but I'm going to buy or make premium self-cleaning blast gates and either replace the bag with a cannister filter, or more likely just mount the motor on an outside wall under a simple roof.
Stumpy nubs has created a good series of videos on dust collection. I'm still undecided but all the responses have given me much to research and consider. Good Luck If you have the money, consider the Supercell. If I had not been so frugal in the beginning, I think all the stuff I've bought previously would have paid for the best. Great company! I ran a single 5" trunk along the ceiling with 2 drops and allowance for a future third drop. . As far as using the DC for hand tools like a sander, track saw, router the high static pressure of the supercell is far superior when moving air through a small 1.5 in hose. It was ok. -- Paul Mayer, http://youtube.com/c/toolmetrix. Im not sure this is a great idea but Im wondering if it is an option. My jointer is at a right angle to the saw. Oneida has chosen to balance the extra separation with the considerable costs of moving to a Pentz type design.
I have had zero issues with my 3 hp Oneida over the past 13 years I have owned it. The Jet DC-1100VX-CK is on sale for 480 bucks on Amazon. My father used to tell me that "it never costs to go first class, it pays". Its a 1.5hp model and runs off 110 with a dedicated breaker. 2022 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. Anything that I have thrown at them they have handled really well! My current system was the simplest and got me back to work on wood instead of plumbing from a ladder.
Wen filter overhead. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. If you call the company they'll sell you what you need, online you can only get sets, and you'll need an odd mix. For anyone needed a dust collector, jump on this one. This regards the quality of the equipment, tech support of the equipment and any needed repairs, sales and service of ductwork and other accessories as well as help with two major and two minor shop redesigns along the way. Not sure what is what here or if theres a big difference.
I also wanted to avoid fixed ducting while lowering the hassle factor, and came up with a simple economical system that I've been quite pleased with. I have it in the corner of my basement shop area. Much higher airflow - seems more likely to collect dust that doesn't behave and go into a dustport, Cool factor - see the dust swirl around and down a clear plastic cyclone, Generic filters (Supercell filter appears to be custom-made and proprietary, no telling how hard it will be to replace in time), This is a reminder to those commenting on this post (not the person that posted it): Comments not related to woodworking will be removed. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear.
Previously had a Jet DC650 I bought in 2000. I would think that would seriously improve the separation from the one I had.
The 1.5 horse dust collector is more than efficient and collects down to 1 micron with a blast gates at each machine. For me, this dust collector right now will only be for my Sawstop table saw, miter saw, and eventually a Hammer A3-41 jointer/planer. I have 5 blast-gate zones for the different equipment connected via metal ducting. Flexibility is key for me because Im sure my next shop will have a completely different layout.
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I have a multistage filter on the ceiling for ambient, but I don't use it as much as I should. a tip/strategy to share? I was thinking the same way about dust collection when I built my 20' by 24' shop and bought a Grisley "portable 2 stage dust collector. Have you had to compromise your project On the lathe, by the lathe: do you have questions? They were always nice to talk to but from what I can tell the first level staff sales and tech support know very little. Ive seen the previous posts here on LJ but most of them are several years old, so I thought it was worth posting again. If you are a carver or want Intarsia, fretwork, intricate design cutting and more! frustrations? The hoses are all either against a wall or between the machines and the DC in a way I dont really ever trip over them. Congrats. All of them were slow or inconsistent to respond, which I found frustrating but I imagine I was a very small order compared to what they normally get. With just a 4 port open it is pushing 76+ db. I inherited a Dust collector, PSI Tempest TEMP14xx I think. If you have the budget, I recommend the Oneida Supercell. After you get it set up, I'd be interested to hear your personal impressions/opinions of the unit. Youll read opinions about both that are good and bad but the bottom line is that both are reasonable options and will perform well enough to provide you with clean air. Im leaning towards the flexibility of using Norfab or equivalent QF piping as I seem to move things around.I currently have a router, table saw, bench top planer, and miter saw (with out a permanent station). I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Both systems look good but which one is better? I should add, I regularly get bashed for peeing on the Oneida name, so I'll add that all of this is just my opinion. Thanks again to all. I find changing connections is not so bad because I plan my work so I don't have to change machines back and forth. It does require more effort than the Oneida for setup and more attention to detail, but once it was set up, it s been great. Manitarios results with enclosing are more (I guess) what you would experience. Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal- For woodworkers of all levels (part 6), Repair oil finish on oak kitchen countertops. It's all hooked up with overhead ductwork and blast gates. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear. For those Oneida owners, did you ever feel like it did not have enough suction power to meet your tool needs? Then I upgraded to an 8 inch jointer, 15 inch planer and added a second bandsaw (18 inch Laguna) and a dust deputy with small fiber drum at the planer and jointer. Id also like to rig this up for a hood or downdraft table for sanding.Im a bit torn on what company to go with here Oneida or ClearVue. It's tricky when you have more stuff than space.
I did install this in a closet external to the shop/garage and then run the ducting into the shop above the rafters. Post a layout of your shop when you get it done - I know I could use your ideas. I contacted a couple others I found on Bills site as well. OK, alright, but being told that really doesn't help. This is a one-person shop, 20x30 ft, and the main tools are (1) table saw, (2) radial arm saw, (3) chop saw, (4) Dewalt 12" planer, (5) shaper, and (6-10) various hand-held power tools - all to be used one-at-a-time, and all have dust ports that are 4" or less. Wood, your hand tools, you and a little know-how. The Jet has two 4 outlets (or one 6 if you take the 4 outlets off). Interested in my woodworking, workshop and whatnot?
If you send them a floor plan with machine layout they will design your system for you with a complete parts list for a turn key installation (They stock everything you will need). Wish me luck. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when I m out there for an afternoon and running tools. If you are selling your work, then you have entered a woodworking dimension with added complexity and stress. This forum is for scrollsawers: share your tips, ask questions Have a question? -- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress. Basement shop. Particularly in a small cramped shop. This is super nice for general clean up. If it was all overhead ductwork with dedicated connections that might be different. It separates dust effectively. Good luck. First I cannot imagine how you have room for all that equipment, a workbench, outfeed table, wood, sheet goods and tool storage in a 20x20 space! Therefore you will likely need to do some electrical work whichever voltage you choose so, in my opinion, you might as well install a 220 volt 20 amp circuit in your shop. Oneida seems to be relatively low air volume at high static pressure. | Copyright
I probably will do the same, eventually, maybe, I guess.
Two things I should add.One I bought an Onieda Dust Gorilla Pro. After that while, the blast gates get jammed with dust so don't close, the joints in the pipe work loose (unless you seal them permanently, then you can't clear blockages) and the cheap bag on the DC just discharges fine dust into the air. The Oneida outperforms the CV on my longest duct runs, but just slightly. I used KB duct (cheaper than Nordfab) but experience showed me that the Nordfab clamps are better so used them with the KB ducting. Agree with others. The drops are 4" and both service the area I roll machines into, one from above and one from beolw. I really don't think I can go wrong with either option. I am a big fan of the Laguna C flux or (P flux if you want to go HEPA) collectors. Oneida also offers a add-on silencer to further drop the noise of their cyclones. I added a small over head air filter near my workbench where most of the sanding is done. Terms of Service What's you favorite honing guide, that precisely and repeatably hones square? I cannot recall the model number exactly. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, 1) CV1800 + filter @ $1595 + $250 for electrical box, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Update. Using a jig is like having a couple extra hands helping out. We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter. You need to re think portable. When I bought the Jet I switched to the Dust Right flex hose and quick change couplers from Rockler. It almost drove me crazy and out of the shop for good.
Not really limited to a budget but Im looking for something compact due to space limitations as i do have a cabinet saw,lathe,planer,jointer, router table,bandsaw and miter saw. Love to hear the feedback from those of you with recent experience with these products. I have no problem with the plastic model, but the steel one might be a little more quiet. Hope your setup goes well ! I am happy for the most part but was disappointed in a number of aspects from the sale to the delivery. Clearvue is relatively high air volume at low static pressure. I have a similar size shop. I don't have time to fiddle with hoses. In-depth articles, up-close photography, and detailed illustrations, getting back into woodworking after a 15 year hiatus (retiring). Not sure how much of an issue this is in real life though. As for how loud they are, the installation (mine is in a corner which gives me maximum sound reflection; and my sound meter is a $20 Amazon job.
I am pondering either the Oneida V3000 or the ClearVue CV1800 or CVMax. It's cramped but I can't fall and hit the floor. Planer, joiner, and router table share the 4" hose with Rockler Dust Right fittings. Not sure how much of an issue this is in real life though. The only thing Ive had to replace is the filter after 5 years of use.
Slightly finer particle filter (0.3 micron vs 0.5 for Clearvue, but is this a significant difference? I'm in a small basement shop: Stationary 1.5hp DC mounted high in the corner with a cyclone below. Eyes, ears, fingers, and Are you looking for or do you have tips to share regarding the workshop? I finally got escalated to a VP and got some answers, which seemed legit. One other idea is to have your dust collection located and venting outside of your shop. I need a shop with accordion walls. I dont have a way (yet) to determine if this is working as stated in the literature and theres some things that make me question it. UNLIMITED membership - Get access to it all. I think the quality between the two companies is very similar. Press J to jump to the feed. Maybe a couple of travel trailers with slide outs cobbled together. I have a 3 car garage and all but have decided theres no chance more than one car will ever fit in there and that said a car hasnt sat in the garage for several months now. Ive had very good experiences with the Oneida staff as well. Latest Projects | For a while.
If you are only going to be sucking through one 4 inch dust port at a time then the supercell is the way to go. My concern with Oneida products is that they minimize their filter area; I wonder how this affects the airflow with use eg. I m not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; I m sucking up wood chips not rocks. I don't want a mobile collector because I don't have the room to move it. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. Thanks for all the valuable insights everyone! Get instant access to over 100 digital plans available only to UNLIMITED members. I don t have any complaints about the CV and haven t had any problems with it. I wish I could vent outside, it would solve all of my current complaints with my Oneida.
Its not far from the shop. The finish, whether paint, wax, stain, or something else, can make or break a project. I built a double wall closet to house mine in and that makes it pretty quiet. Latest Forum Topics. Then a Fein that I can roll around, but usually hooked up to the Bandsaw with a remote. So keep thinking this through. It has a small footprint, lots of power, and a HEPA filter. Jim. DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ.
I spend a lot time moving hoses around but it's the best setup I could manage given the space. I would highly recomend that you either design this on your own very carefully or have someone design it for you (preferably be on site). You can make the change.
I think you're comparing a bit of apples to oranges here. Im not going to bash Oneida but Im not going to give them a plug here either. Both brands are compatible with each other. For my health Ive decided I have to drop some cash on a good dust collection system to capture as much as possible.Ive read through much of Bill Pentzs stuff and have some idea what is necessary, but have noticed theres been no updates in years now. This isnt ideal but I live in California and the warm or hot days far out number the cold days, so venting air outside isnt ideal at times but it is probably not an issue and it could be helpful in the summer.