Trevor. Apparently he saw someone char the lower portion of plywood sheathing to prevent rot, and the plywood lasted 20 years (usually the first part to fail). Pour solution in to sealed garden sprayer.
Horizontal Coravent could also work. Messes with reproductive capability of mice but wont outright kill them. With Shou Sugi Ban you are stuck with it for the life of the cladding. Gather your supplies, grab a trusted friend, and get to work. I also give bonus points to people who build structures that look as though they belong in a particular environment. I saw that publication #19 also, and found it hard to decipher. Mountain Cabin, where did you source the window bucks, or did you make them yourself? Although the material is cost-effective and quite beautiful, its less durable and has been known to have a much shorter lifespan than other materials, such as cedar or James Hardie. The items youll need include: First, prepare the area by following these steps: Follow these steps to properly install the boards: If youre using any top trim, make sure its installed before starting with the battens. I would love to chat more offline about our projects since they seem to be in similar climates and similar material choices. Its beauty gives homes and cabins a type of rustic charm, its design is durable and proven to last, and along with its ease of installation, its also easy to repair. This fastener is going to be the shortest fastener approved for fastening panel siding products into wood, therefore the furring must be a minimum of 43mm (1 11/16 in) thick to achieve the same values as CCMC", The second sentence contradicts their own fastener specification a couple of pages earlier, which allows for the following into wood studs: You can either give us a call to schedule an appointment or continue reading our blog to see how to install board and batten siding yourself. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Can plywood be used for board and batten siding?","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"Yes! 28% borax You must be a magazine subscriber to access this feature. I know it nasty to our earth and I feel a little guilty each time I use it. There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is.
I have a 1.5" rains screen on 24" spacing. Their strapping min. I live in Vermont. Others are saying that 1x4 strips will flex and result in a non-flat plane for hardie panel. Does anyone here have experience with that? I'm guessing that the requirement for a WRB beneath the furring strips is general and does not presume there's another WRB behind a layer of EPS. I have a lot more 2x6's than I need for framing interior walls. Fortunately, the process of installing board and batten siding is not too difficult for those who have some experience in home construction. framingI know you can install blocking in the framing but that increases thermal bridgingwas hoping I could install 14 horizontal furring strips on top of sheathing & housewrap, then attach vertical hardie boards to that. Hi Mountain Cabin.
I guess Im a little OCD but I feel one building should fit or compliment the other. I would comb through the Hardie specs a bit more, there are generally different amount of embed specs for siding when installed with ring shank nails. First, place the batten over the space between the boards. The house will have doors and windows in a few weeks and then I can run a dehumidifer and dry the place out. This style of siding also offers plenty of other advantages. The good news is that you can contact our team here at Legacy Service. Paula T, I have a home brew for insects/rodents/mold that I make also. If I was building a single story house, I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. There shouldn't be any issue using foam behind the rain screen. I find their literature much harder to decipher than the Rockwool installation manual, which is amazing (more pictures, less numbers though). Here's the hardie tech bulletin #19 However, its still important to properly treat it with different water and stain repellant finishes. I would not go down to 3/4" with rigid mineral wool as the adjustments are too fussy (fine if DIY but gets expensive you are paying for labor). Get an estimate or schedule your appointment today, Home | How to do it | Board and Batten Siding Installation. Before you start, put on a safety apron, plastic goggles, and gloves.
Before you begin with your DIY board and batten siding installation, make sure you know how the entire process works. Like all Eric's blogs it's worth a look. Once the skirt board is level, use a nail gun or hammer to install three vertical nails every 18-24. I spoke with Hardie Panel, and they said in this situation, the panel requires 1.75 inch thick furring strips, because it requires 2 inch siding nails. Starting at one corner of the house, place a board flush up against the wall and make sure its plumb. Black painted houses can change colours. We have plenty of experience when it comes to board and batten siding. Add 1 to that number to get the number of battens on the wall. Said this is sometimes done in Alaska? Keep nail to board ratio in mind Although 24 boards are most commonly used in these types of projects, you can use boards that are different sizes. Installing Rigid Foam Above Roof Sheathing, Climate Activists React to Dont Look Up. Your thoughts would be most welcome. It drains vertically when applied horizontally and is marketed more for insect control in a rain screen but might work as the screen itself. Whether you wish to install board and batten siding on your home, cabin, or garage, you can rest easy knowing that you made a fantastic choice. This is fire/insect/rot resistant and lasts an incredible long time. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"The steps to help calculate your board and batten spacing include:\n\nDivide your total wall length by the approximate space youd like between the battens.
Now, you can install the drip edge. Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso. https://www.jameshardie.com/JamesHardieMainSite/media/Site-Documents/TechnicalBulletins/19-jh-over-advanced-framing-or-continuous-insulation.pdf. I personally used a solution that works even better than this product but unless you want to go to the trouble of mixing it I wont waste your time going into that. Therefore they use a 1x4 furring strip. Read over this blog, ask the experts questions (whether its giving your local experts a call or consulting someone at the hardware store), and gather all of the items youll need. Do you think plywood's a good idea? While its not always necessary to nail board and batten siding into studs, its usually recommended. Martin Holladay (if my memory serves me correctly) has encouraged people not to worry about horizontal strapping under siding. Divide your total wall length by the approximate space youd like between the battens. A few tips. We nailed it to vertical 1x3 furring strips, 16 O.C. Rigid mineral wool is somewhat squishy. They show that a 1 1/4" fastener would have 3/4" net penetration into the stud. 
However, Trevor seems to have done it.was that over some other exterior continuous insulation? Each page seems to be sending you to a different page before you can finish the sentence. That may shed some light about whether it's a coordinated system (like Hardie Reveal) or not. In the northwest we deal with a ton of moisture but also increased threat of fire in our longer hotter summers. I sided the shed in beveled cedar clapboards (included a rainscreen detail). I love how it looks, but it seems that the most pragmatic choice for my upcoming house is hardie board siding for both durability and fire resistance. Not sure if they were assuming things and I didn't give enough information? Remember that if you use boards that are 6 or more than 6 wide, youll have to fasten them by hammering nails in the middle. Or corrugated, horizontally ran material like this. After that, make sure your home is ready for the siding installation by removing the rotten boards and securing the loose boards and wood trim. With 2x lumber on flat, this is less of an issue. Before starting the vertical board installation, install a skirt board (a board thats wider than the siding boards).
I thought the Hardie planks were half inch, but I could be wrong. I am in Eastern WA and this summer am planning to do 2" mineral wool with a rainscreen detail (1x4") with hardie panel with batten strips 16 OC. I think you can back screws out or push in to create a flat plane, although it sounds finicky! It stains the wood which of course doesn't matter on framing or sheathing. Between furring strips and through mineral wool to the framing first? If that requirement is in fact specific to that exact wall construction, then I don't know why they want that.
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That would still be 4 inch screws just to get furring strips installed. 
I went around and sprayed the worst spots with my magic mix and it seems to have helped. In fact, its one of our favorite types due to its beauty and durability. There's an equation in both links I sent, even the hardie one, which talks about furring fastener length and how to arrive at it. Boards should be in good condition. 
If you use 3/4" strapping, you have to adjust each screw individually to get the strapping flat otherwise your siding will be wavy. Scrape away old caulking around the doors and windows. 
Probably less so with clapboards than panels. We also provide other types of services to improve your home exterior, including roofing and windows installation. After that, measure the gap that youd like in between the boards. Battens should lap at least inch onto the boards on both sides to keep out moisture. The thing that bothers me about this is that the horizontal furring strips ruin the rainscreen effect behind the boards. I have an air gap but water could potentially collect and sit on the furring strips instead of running out of the wall cavity, right? With the help of a friend, you can usually expect to have about 800 ft. of it installed in about a day. The photo shows plywood strips set into J-shaped perforated flashing: Here's an article on errors in installing fiber cement siding: If you want a rain screen you can use either thin strips of 3/8 ply as spacers or one of the drainage mat (ie Slicker Classic). The longevity of the finish, and even whether you want to touch the boards, relies on sealing the surface and regularly re-coating. Unfaced/paper faced insulation is somewhat permeable. I chose horizontal furring strips only, as I tend to agree with Martin and others that much of the benefit of a rainscreen can be achieved simply by having a reservoir of air behind the siding. And it can also be completed by beginners with the proper planning. This what I am planning: I will be using 3" EPS, on top of tyvec covered sheathing, on top of 2x4 framing on my home reno project. Thanks. Malcolm, that is a different look than what the guy I saw did. https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=22797&gclid=CjwKCAiAx_DwBRAfEiwA3vwZYpW3ORRw-ZMScQthEhnrfSKMumOHi4QLFEgZtstZLm_uMh0ajEL5phoC26MQAvD_BwE. But what if you need help from a professional? I would not go down to 3/4" with rigid mineral wool as the adjustments are too fussy (fine if DIY but gets expensive you are paying for labor).". Its usually recommended that the board and batten is installed onto solid plywood or OSB sheathing. When one builds the first thing one learns is there are a lot of trade offs! I look forward to hearing from anyone with experience dealing with adequate furring strips over rockwool mineral board insulation, for hardie board. Hardie panel, as heavy as it seems, falls under the light weight cladding category.
Then I have to purchase the additional lumber for the bulky furring strips, and work out the window details at that added depth. Also, adding 1.75 inch vertical furring strips over all studs, and having such a cavernous seeming rainscreen gap, annoys me. Place the skirt board at the bottom of where the siding will end, and make sure its level before moving onto the next steps. You can use a piece of metal flashing for this. Hardie and the like are sort of floppy, are they not? Is this necessary? It has no mold that one could visually see. When I pulled the tarp back I had a nasty surprise. You might even want to watch a few online DIY videos.
If you look at ESR 1844 you'll find a dizzying array of fastening options. 1. Does anyone have any complaints or hesitation or warnings about installing hardie board siding? It is the water you can work on to control the most easily in your application by ventilation, better rain screen, better flashing above the wood to handle bulk water ect. People could be using standard Z-flashing instead, like would be done at horizontal panel edge joints. Some are just better than others.
Board and batten can appear rustic or modern, depending on its finish and how rough the lumber is. I don't know if it's worth using plywood if you have to rip them yourself. This bit of permeability allows for a some outward drying. Heat mixture outside or in well ventilated place and allow to cool. For any one of those you have to figure out how much of the fastener would be in the stud, and then use that as the thickness of the furring strip. I would ask them to explain that discrepancy; the corresponding sections in the guide for Hardie Planks has no such discrepancy, which allows for 1.25" roofing nails into either studs or furring strips. I'll try to get a picture of it, in case it's not being done elsewhere. I will be DIYing this project with another person's help. Subtract the total wall length by the total batten width. He suggested using my propane torch to char them.
Boards should be in good condition. Allow to soak in and repeat. Since this thread was originally posted, I decided to go with a continuous exterior layer of mineral wool (rockwool comfortboard 80) which is 1.5 inches thick. When would you like this request to be completed? We just installed new ones last November but thankfully I thought ahead enough for the windows to be installed with windowbucks so hopefully there's much issue for us when we get to this point. I will definitely check out the other products that Chris D mentions--thanks for the tip. At best it may only slightly extend the woods useful life or keep mold from appearing very soon. The question I have for you first is what fasteners? If you cant find a wall stud, use wood glue/liquid nails and a nail thats long enough to secure the wood to the wall. I guess if you go with the thin furring strips then you are obligated to have fasteners that go all the way back to the framing. This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. page 17 shows Fastener tables and minimum strapping size for foam vs. mineral wool per different cladding weights. Remove anything else that might get in the way of your siding installation, including downspouts, moldings, and lighting fixtures. Dust with Boric acid. Start at one corner of your house and make your way around. This might even be a good thing in fire country? Did you do this? Remember to treat the wood Cedar is the most popular type of wood to use for board and batten siding since its naturally resistant to decay. If moisture is a problem however then there has been a failure in design or in the building process. I have some exposed floor joists and these are just too ugly to show, unless the burning treatment makes them magically a lot more attractive.
Plywood is a popular material used for board and batten siding because its a dimensionally stable wood and relatively inexpensive. WRBs are typically somewhere between 25 and 80 perms. A 6 board will need one nail, while an 8 board will need two. I just want to be clear so you are not disappointed. That's not a lot different from any other wood finish - which to me begs the question as to what the advantages are.
It's interesting to hear hardie when spoken to said the furring strip needs to be beefed up to 1.5" because it looks like the tables work out in their literature to be 1x4 or 0.75 x 3.5". Tell us a little bit more details about your project: We have received your request and will contact you during business hours. Thanks for weighing in, Malcolm and Wannabe :). Wear mask and spray moldy areas (or even light rot) in stud bays or other wood with coarse spray.
A collection of one thousand construction details organized by climate and house part. Assuming you could use the 1.5" nails, that still means 1 1/16" furring, compared to the 3/4" furring you could use for the planks. Hardie markets their Reveal system which is a flashing/reveal gap system that sounds like what you're talking about, but I have no idea if it's a commercial-only product with a high price tag. p.s. https://www.jlconline.com/how-to/exteriors/common-siding-failures_o. Always put safety first When doing any kind of construction, its important to always put safety first by taking the necessary precautions. Even though we try for perfection, there is no perfect building. 
I had been set on vertically oriented siding, but I know the 4x8 hardie panel will be awkward to handle & install. This added information is inclining me to consider hardie board instead. I found another way to meet the code requirements for extra energy efficiencyair sealing and a heat recovery ventilatorwhich I am sure I'll be posting questions about shortly. https://www.victoria.ca/assets/Departments/Planning~Development/Permits~Inspections/Example~Plans/Illustrated-Guide-R22-Effective-Walls-In-Wood-Frame-Construction.pdf This type of siding is best described as wide boards that are vertically installed with narrow battens fastened over the gaps between the boards. To learn more about installing board and batten siding, or to schedule an appointment for a consultation, please feel free to give us a call anytime at 215-798-9790 or contact us here. 
Recipe here However, for everything else, its a good idea to attach your boards to the studs wherever possible. My preference visually would be the vertical board & batten look, Still working through how Ill detail that over vertical 16 inch o.c. Do you? The procedure for calculating the required thickness of the furring strips is described on page 117 of the Best Practices Guide: "The specific ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener must be installed into a material that has the same or better holding power than that specified in the ESR 1844 & 2290 and with the same penetration as the ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener.". The moldy boards in question were left in my driveway covered by a tarp (my bad). With hardie board, I was told that 3/4 furring strips are adequate, but elsewhere I am seeing that 1 inch embedment into studs are required, so wondering what thickness furring strips I can get away with. I guess the difference is only an inch thicker, but an inch can add a lot of complexity and aggravation, and I can imagine there will be other cascading effects from having such a thick assembly. 50% Ethylene Glucol antifreeze This calculates how many spaces are on your wall.\nAdd 1 to that number to get the number of battens on the wall.\nMultiply the number of battens by the batten width to get the total batten width.\nSubtract the total wall length by the total batten width.\nDivide that by the number of spaces you calculated in the first step. "}}]}, PA #PA077391 | NJ #13VH09841400 | DE #2014100818 |. In Japan there is a temple made of Japanese Red Cedar finished with the Shou Sugi Ban finish. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"After the top trim is installed, its time to attach the battens. Once its secured, install two nails every 18-24 along the boards length. The panels are no fun to lift to a second story. Sort of a modern look. Maybe this is a way to simplify. Foam is definitely not more fire resistant than mineral wool, which is virtually fire proof. After the top trim is installed, its time to attach the battens. I have mixed up a formula of baking soda, tsp and washing soda that creates a low ph spray. Wow, my neighbor who helps me build sometimes, mentioned this as a possible solution to some moldy boards that are looking ugly. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"The board size arrangements that can be used for board and batten siding include 1x10 boards with 1x2 or 1x3 battens as well as 1x8 or 1x12 boards with 1x4 battens. 
Butthat's a lot of ripping! I'd call their tech support and ask for clarification and reasoning. 
"Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso." (Although, I read recently that studies have shown that a 3/4" vertical rain screen generally doesn't cause a "chimney effect" during a fire.). 
I like the traditional way of nailing 1/3 of way up the board so as to allow for movement in each board. 
align your screws vertically in the strapping so that when you string the wall for straitness its easier to adjust (shims help keep the strapping out when needed) it is finicky but it works. The assembly will be 2x6 wall, plywood, WRB, 1.5 inches rockwool mineral board, furring strips, and then hardie panel or hardie board. Just use vertical furring, one on each stud. You can find these claims on line and I was skeptical when someone I know sided with it because here in very rural Montana we are no stranger to house-wildfire interface and use a lot of exterior rockwool also. Kills bugs and mold. The big problem is finding a trim nailer that likes going through that much cement board without pre-drilling. Keep away from pets and children. 2022 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Any thoughts? I also get confused by the docs and will re-read but it seems like the 1x4's should be fine. I myself am planning a 2" mineral wool install and seems like people recommend different stud wood imbedment requirements. I would assume that flat against the sheathing the flex isnt an issue but if someone were to go with a rain screen and have spaces of 16 w w/0 direct support behind, would that be an issue? You might want to choose another material thats longer-lasting. The wider the board is, the more nails it needs. I don't mind the visible nail heads-they'll be painted over. They say it will reduce the possibility of splitting and I'd also think that the cladding attachments may be more secure. Sometimes these materials are less practical or are more expensive but just plain right for a particular application. Keep going until you reach the other corner of the house. 2. Any ideas for how to get the rainscreen effect behind vertical boards, without excessive complexity or framing? Akos hit on the key point here. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Does board and batten have to go into studs? Not knowing your specific problem I cant even surmise how to advise and be of help. Your message has been sent
That would leave 15/16 on the nail which exceeds 3/4 inch of furring strip. -0.118x0.267x2" 6d common nail No issue. See Step 6 on page 11 in particular. I dont know if heat from the burn would affect the glue in the plywood in your case either. This won't delete the articles you've saved, just the list. There's a limit to the depth of message nesting, that's why there's no reply option to some messages. If I went with the 5/16 thick hardie boards, then the 3/4 furring strips that I was told is ok, doesn't compute with the allowed 1.25 inch nails - 5/16 thick board. Also, our commitment to the industry and our craft results in beautiful projects that are not only high-quality but also works of art. Personally, even though I wannabegreen I favor treated wood near soil or any place moisture is a suspected problem. Although the material is cost-effective and quite beautiful, its less durable and has been known to have a much shorter lifespan than other materials, such as cedar or James Hardie. Akos said "There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"What size boards do you use for board and batten siding? and our manager will contact you shortly. Serendipitously Eric Whetzel linked to his experience with Shou Sugi Ban today in another thread. But yeah, I am getting mold/mildew on my studs too.
If you do not tackle the problem of moisture no amount of Shou Sugi Ban finish will solve the problem.
Horizontal Coravent could also work. Messes with reproductive capability of mice but wont outright kill them. With Shou Sugi Ban you are stuck with it for the life of the cladding. Gather your supplies, grab a trusted friend, and get to work. I also give bonus points to people who build structures that look as though they belong in a particular environment. I saw that publication #19 also, and found it hard to decipher. Mountain Cabin, where did you source the window bucks, or did you make them yourself? Although the material is cost-effective and quite beautiful, its less durable and has been known to have a much shorter lifespan than other materials, such as cedar or James Hardie. The items youll need include: First, prepare the area by following these steps: Follow these steps to properly install the boards: If youre using any top trim, make sure its installed before starting with the battens. I would love to chat more offline about our projects since they seem to be in similar climates and similar material choices. Its beauty gives homes and cabins a type of rustic charm, its design is durable and proven to last, and along with its ease of installation, its also easy to repair. This fastener is going to be the shortest fastener approved for fastening panel siding products into wood, therefore the furring must be a minimum of 43mm (1 11/16 in) thick to achieve the same values as CCMC", The second sentence contradicts their own fastener specification a couple of pages earlier, which allows for the following into wood studs: You can either give us a call to schedule an appointment or continue reading our blog to see how to install board and batten siding yourself. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Can plywood be used for board and batten siding?","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"Yes! 28% borax You must be a magazine subscriber to access this feature. I know it nasty to our earth and I feel a little guilty each time I use it. There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is.
I have a 1.5" rains screen on 24" spacing. Their strapping min. I live in Vermont. Others are saying that 1x4 strips will flex and result in a non-flat plane for hardie panel. Does anyone here have experience with that? I'm guessing that the requirement for a WRB beneath the furring strips is general and does not presume there's another WRB behind a layer of EPS. I have a lot more 2x6's than I need for framing interior walls. Fortunately, the process of installing board and batten siding is not too difficult for those who have some experience in home construction. framingI know you can install blocking in the framing but that increases thermal bridgingwas hoping I could install 14 horizontal furring strips on top of sheathing & housewrap, then attach vertical hardie boards to that. Hi Mountain Cabin. I guess Im a little OCD but I feel one building should fit or compliment the other. I would comb through the Hardie specs a bit more, there are generally different amount of embed specs for siding when installed with ring shank nails. First, place the batten over the space between the boards. The house will have doors and windows in a few weeks and then I can run a dehumidifer and dry the place out. This style of siding also offers plenty of other advantages. The good news is that you can contact our team here at Legacy Service. Paula T, I have a home brew for insects/rodents/mold that I make also. If I was building a single story house, I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. There shouldn't be any issue using foam behind the rain screen. I find their literature much harder to decipher than the Rockwool installation manual, which is amazing (more pictures, less numbers though). Here's the hardie tech bulletin #19 However, its still important to properly treat it with different water and stain repellant finishes. I would not go down to 3/4" with rigid mineral wool as the adjustments are too fussy (fine if DIY but gets expensive you are paying for labor). Get an estimate or schedule your appointment today, Home | How to do it | Board and Batten Siding Installation. Before you start, put on a safety apron, plastic goggles, and gloves.
Before you begin with your DIY board and batten siding installation, make sure you know how the entire process works. Like all Eric's blogs it's worth a look. Once the skirt board is level, use a nail gun or hammer to install three vertical nails every 18-24. I spoke with Hardie Panel, and they said in this situation, the panel requires 1.75 inch thick furring strips, because it requires 2 inch siding nails. Starting at one corner of the house, place a board flush up against the wall and make sure its plumb. Black painted houses can change colours. We have plenty of experience when it comes to board and batten siding. Add 1 to that number to get the number of battens on the wall. Said this is sometimes done in Alaska? Keep nail to board ratio in mind Although 24 boards are most commonly used in these types of projects, you can use boards that are different sizes. Installing Rigid Foam Above Roof Sheathing, Climate Activists React to Dont Look Up. Your thoughts would be most welcome. It drains vertically when applied horizontally and is marketed more for insect control in a rain screen but might work as the screen itself. Whether you wish to install board and batten siding on your home, cabin, or garage, you can rest easy knowing that you made a fantastic choice. This is fire/insect/rot resistant and lasts an incredible long time. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"The steps to help calculate your board and batten spacing include:\n\nDivide your total wall length by the approximate space youd like between the battens.
Now, you can install the drip edge. Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso. https://www.jameshardie.com/JamesHardieMainSite/media/Site-Documents/TechnicalBulletins/19-jh-over-advanced-framing-or-continuous-insulation.pdf. I personally used a solution that works even better than this product but unless you want to go to the trouble of mixing it I wont waste your time going into that. Therefore they use a 1x4 furring strip. Read over this blog, ask the experts questions (whether its giving your local experts a call or consulting someone at the hardware store), and gather all of the items youll need. Do you think plywood's a good idea? While its not always necessary to nail board and batten siding into studs, its usually recommended. Martin Holladay (if my memory serves me correctly) has encouraged people not to worry about horizontal strapping under siding. Divide your total wall length by the approximate space youd like between the battens. A few tips. We nailed it to vertical 1x3 furring strips, 16 O.C. Rigid mineral wool is somewhat squishy. They show that a 1 1/4" fastener would have 3/4" net penetration into the stud. However, Trevor seems to have done it.was that over some other exterior continuous insulation? Each page seems to be sending you to a different page before you can finish the sentence. That may shed some light about whether it's a coordinated system (like Hardie Reveal) or not. In the northwest we deal with a ton of moisture but also increased threat of fire in our longer hotter summers. I sided the shed in beveled cedar clapboards (included a rainscreen detail). I love how it looks, but it seems that the most pragmatic choice for my upcoming house is hardie board siding for both durability and fire resistance. Not sure if they were assuming things and I didn't give enough information? Remember that if you use boards that are 6 or more than 6 wide, youll have to fasten them by hammering nails in the middle. Or corrugated, horizontally ran material like this. After that, make sure your home is ready for the siding installation by removing the rotten boards and securing the loose boards and wood trim. With 2x lumber on flat, this is less of an issue. Before starting the vertical board installation, install a skirt board (a board thats wider than the siding boards). I thought the Hardie planks were half inch, but I could be wrong. I am in Eastern WA and this summer am planning to do 2" mineral wool with a rainscreen detail (1x4") with hardie panel with batten strips 16 OC. I think you can back screws out or push in to create a flat plane, although it sounds finicky! It stains the wood which of course doesn't matter on framing or sheathing. Between furring strips and through mineral wool to the framing first? If that requirement is in fact specific to that exact wall construction, then I don't know why they want that.
So, call one of your best friends or a loving family member, and then you can start.
That would still be 4 inch screws just to get furring strips installed. I went around and sprayed the worst spots with my magic mix and it seems to have helped. In fact, its one of our favorite types due to its beauty and durability. There's an equation in both links I sent, even the hardie one, which talks about furring fastener length and how to arrive at it. Boards should be in good condition. If you use 3/4" strapping, you have to adjust each screw individually to get the strapping flat otherwise your siding will be wavy. Scrape away old caulking around the doors and windows. Probably less so with clapboards than panels. We also provide other types of services to improve your home exterior, including roofing and windows installation. After that, measure the gap that youd like in between the boards. Battens should lap at least inch onto the boards on both sides to keep out moisture. The thing that bothers me about this is that the horizontal furring strips ruin the rainscreen effect behind the boards. I have an air gap but water could potentially collect and sit on the furring strips instead of running out of the wall cavity, right? With the help of a friend, you can usually expect to have about 800 ft. of it installed in about a day. The photo shows plywood strips set into J-shaped perforated flashing: Here's an article on errors in installing fiber cement siding: If you want a rain screen you can use either thin strips of 3/8 ply as spacers or one of the drainage mat (ie Slicker Classic). The longevity of the finish, and even whether you want to touch the boards, relies on sealing the surface and regularly re-coating. Unfaced/paper faced insulation is somewhat permeable. I chose horizontal furring strips only, as I tend to agree with Martin and others that much of the benefit of a rainscreen can be achieved simply by having a reservoir of air behind the siding. And it can also be completed by beginners with the proper planning. This what I am planning: I will be using 3" EPS, on top of tyvec covered sheathing, on top of 2x4 framing on my home reno project. Thanks. Malcolm, that is a different look than what the guy I saw did. https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=22797&gclid=CjwKCAiAx_DwBRAfEiwA3vwZYpW3ORRw-ZMScQthEhnrfSKMumOHi4QLFEgZtstZLm_uMh0ajEL5phoC26MQAvD_BwE. But what if you need help from a professional? I would not go down to 3/4" with rigid mineral wool as the adjustments are too fussy (fine if DIY but gets expensive you are paying for labor).". Its usually recommended that the board and batten is installed onto solid plywood or OSB sheathing. When one builds the first thing one learns is there are a lot of trade offs! I look forward to hearing from anyone with experience dealing with adequate furring strips over rockwool mineral board insulation, for hardie board. Hardie panel, as heavy as it seems, falls under the light weight cladding category. Then I have to purchase the additional lumber for the bulky furring strips, and work out the window details at that added depth. Also, adding 1.75 inch vertical furring strips over all studs, and having such a cavernous seeming rainscreen gap, annoys me. Place the skirt board at the bottom of where the siding will end, and make sure its level before moving onto the next steps. You can use a piece of metal flashing for this. Hardie and the like are sort of floppy, are they not? Is this necessary? It has no mold that one could visually see. When I pulled the tarp back I had a nasty surprise. You might even want to watch a few online DIY videos.
If you look at ESR 1844 you'll find a dizzying array of fastening options. 1. Does anyone have any complaints or hesitation or warnings about installing hardie board siding? It is the water you can work on to control the most easily in your application by ventilation, better rain screen, better flashing above the wood to handle bulk water ect. People could be using standard Z-flashing instead, like would be done at horizontal panel edge joints. Some are just better than others.
Board and batten can appear rustic or modern, depending on its finish and how rough the lumber is. I don't know if it's worth using plywood if you have to rip them yourself. This bit of permeability allows for a some outward drying. Heat mixture outside or in well ventilated place and allow to cool. For any one of those you have to figure out how much of the fastener would be in the stud, and then use that as the thickness of the furring strip. I would ask them to explain that discrepancy; the corresponding sections in the guide for Hardie Planks has no such discrepancy, which allows for 1.25" roofing nails into either studs or furring strips. I'll try to get a picture of it, in case it's not being done elsewhere. I will be DIYing this project with another person's help. Subtract the total wall length by the total batten width. He suggested using my propane torch to char them. Boards should be in good condition. Allow to soak in and repeat. Since this thread was originally posted, I decided to go with a continuous exterior layer of mineral wool (rockwool comfortboard 80) which is 1.5 inches thick. When would you like this request to be completed? We just installed new ones last November but thankfully I thought ahead enough for the windows to be installed with windowbucks so hopefully there's much issue for us when we get to this point. I will definitely check out the other products that Chris D mentions--thanks for the tip. At best it may only slightly extend the woods useful life or keep mold from appearing very soon. The question I have for you first is what fasteners? If you cant find a wall stud, use wood glue/liquid nails and a nail thats long enough to secure the wood to the wall. I guess if you go with the thin furring strips then you are obligated to have fasteners that go all the way back to the framing. This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. page 17 shows Fastener tables and minimum strapping size for foam vs. mineral wool per different cladding weights. Remove anything else that might get in the way of your siding installation, including downspouts, moldings, and lighting fixtures. Dust with Boric acid. Start at one corner of your house and make your way around. This might even be a good thing in fire country? Did you do this? Remember to treat the wood Cedar is the most popular type of wood to use for board and batten siding since its naturally resistant to decay. If moisture is a problem however then there has been a failure in design or in the building process. I have some exposed floor joists and these are just too ugly to show, unless the burning treatment makes them magically a lot more attractive.
Plywood is a popular material used for board and batten siding because its a dimensionally stable wood and relatively inexpensive. WRBs are typically somewhere between 25 and 80 perms. A 6 board will need one nail, while an 8 board will need two. I just want to be clear so you are not disappointed. That's not a lot different from any other wood finish - which to me begs the question as to what the advantages are.
It's interesting to hear hardie when spoken to said the furring strip needs to be beefed up to 1.5" because it looks like the tables work out in their literature to be 1x4 or 0.75 x 3.5". Tell us a little bit more details about your project: We have received your request and will contact you during business hours. Thanks for weighing in, Malcolm and Wannabe :). Wear mask and spray moldy areas (or even light rot) in stud bays or other wood with coarse spray.
I had been set on vertically oriented siding, but I know the 4x8 hardie panel will be awkward to handle & install. This added information is inclining me to consider hardie board instead. I found another way to meet the code requirements for extra energy efficiencyair sealing and a heat recovery ventilatorwhich I am sure I'll be posting questions about shortly. https://www.victoria.ca/assets/Departments/Planning~Development/Permits~Inspections/Example~Plans/Illustrated-Guide-R22-Effective-Walls-In-Wood-Frame-Construction.pdf This type of siding is best described as wide boards that are vertically installed with narrow battens fastened over the gaps between the boards. To learn more about installing board and batten siding, or to schedule an appointment for a consultation, please feel free to give us a call anytime at 215-798-9790 or contact us here. Recipe here However, for everything else, its a good idea to attach your boards to the studs wherever possible. My preference visually would be the vertical board & batten look, Still working through how Ill detail that over vertical 16 inch o.c. Do you? The procedure for calculating the required thickness of the furring strips is described on page 117 of the Best Practices Guide: "The specific ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener must be installed into a material that has the same or better holding power than that specified in the ESR 1844 & 2290 and with the same penetration as the ESR 1844 & 2290 fastener.". The moldy boards in question were left in my driveway covered by a tarp (my bad). With hardie board, I was told that 3/4 furring strips are adequate, but elsewhere I am seeing that 1 inch embedment into studs are required, so wondering what thickness furring strips I can get away with. I guess the difference is only an inch thicker, but an inch can add a lot of complexity and aggravation, and I can imagine there will be other cascading effects from having such a thick assembly. 50% Ethylene Glucol antifreeze This calculates how many spaces are on your wall.\nAdd 1 to that number to get the number of battens on the wall.\nMultiply the number of battens by the batten width to get the total batten width.\nSubtract the total wall length by the total batten width.\nDivide that by the number of spaces you calculated in the first step. "}}]}, PA #PA077391 | NJ #13VH09841400 | DE #2014100818 |. In Japan there is a temple made of Japanese Red Cedar finished with the Shou Sugi Ban finish. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"After the top trim is installed, its time to attach the battens. Once its secured, install two nails every 18-24 along the boards length. The panels are no fun to lift to a second story. Sort of a modern look. Maybe this is a way to simplify. Foam is definitely not more fire resistant than mineral wool, which is virtually fire proof. After the top trim is installed, its time to attach the battens. I have mixed up a formula of baking soda, tsp and washing soda that creates a low ph spray. Wow, my neighbor who helps me build sometimes, mentioned this as a possible solution to some moldy boards that are looking ugly. ","acceptedAnswer":{"@type":"Answer","text":"The board size arrangements that can be used for board and batten siding include 1x10 boards with 1x2 or 1x3 battens as well as 1x8 or 1x12 boards with 1x4 battens. Butthat's a lot of ripping! I'd call their tech support and ask for clarification and reasoning. "Unless you are in wild fire area, I would stick to either unfaced EPS or permeable poyiso." (Although, I read recently that studies have shown that a 3/4" vertical rain screen generally doesn't cause a "chimney effect" during a fire.). I like the traditional way of nailing 1/3 of way up the board so as to allow for movement in each board. align your screws vertically in the strapping so that when you string the wall for straitness its easier to adjust (shims help keep the strapping out when needed) it is finicky but it works. The assembly will be 2x6 wall, plywood, WRB, 1.5 inches rockwool mineral board, furring strips, and then hardie panel or hardie board. Just use vertical furring, one on each stud. You can find these claims on line and I was skeptical when someone I know sided with it because here in very rural Montana we are no stranger to house-wildfire interface and use a lot of exterior rockwool also. Kills bugs and mold. The big problem is finding a trim nailer that likes going through that much cement board without pre-drilling. Keep away from pets and children. 2022 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Any thoughts? I also get confused by the docs and will re-read but it seems like the 1x4's should be fine. I myself am planning a 2" mineral wool install and seems like people recommend different stud wood imbedment requirements. I would assume that flat against the sheathing the flex isnt an issue but if someone were to go with a rain screen and have spaces of 16 w w/0 direct support behind, would that be an issue? You might want to choose another material thats longer-lasting. The wider the board is, the more nails it needs. I don't mind the visible nail heads-they'll be painted over. They say it will reduce the possibility of splitting and I'd also think that the cladding attachments may be more secure. Sometimes these materials are less practical or are more expensive but just plain right for a particular application. Keep going until you reach the other corner of the house. 2. Any ideas for how to get the rainscreen effect behind vertical boards, without excessive complexity or framing? Akos hit on the key point here. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"Does board and batten have to go into studs? Not knowing your specific problem I cant even surmise how to advise and be of help. Your message has been sent That would leave 15/16 on the nail which exceeds 3/4 inch of furring strip. -0.118x0.267x2" 6d common nail No issue. See Step 6 on page 11 in particular. I dont know if heat from the burn would affect the glue in the plywood in your case either. This won't delete the articles you've saved, just the list. There's a limit to the depth of message nesting, that's why there's no reply option to some messages. If I went with the 5/16 thick hardie boards, then the 3/4 furring strips that I was told is ok, doesn't compute with the allowed 1.25 inch nails - 5/16 thick board. Also, our commitment to the industry and our craft results in beautiful projects that are not only high-quality but also works of art. Personally, even though I wannabegreen I favor treated wood near soil or any place moisture is a suspected problem. Although the material is cost-effective and quite beautiful, its less durable and has been known to have a much shorter lifespan than other materials, such as cedar or James Hardie. Akos said "There is no point in ripping the 2x4, just use it as is. "}},{"@type":"Question","name":"What size boards do you use for board and batten siding? and our manager will contact you shortly. Serendipitously Eric Whetzel linked to his experience with Shou Sugi Ban today in another thread. But yeah, I am getting mold/mildew on my studs too.
If you do not tackle the problem of moisture no amount of Shou Sugi Ban finish will solve the problem.