The choice is up to the finisher. Yes, thanks - those are all valid concerns. The smaller the motor the less power it has and thus it will have the power to only spray thin bodied materials, or materials that can be thinned down at least 30% with no problems. Our primary carriers include UPS and USPS and for large items a variety of freight carriers. You can always be assured that at Apollo Sprayers we use only the best quality, all aluminum, ball-bearing motors, manufactured in the USA by Ametek-Lamb. Both work very well, although the turbine is beginning to show its age in that the technology built into it has a hard time with many of the higher viscosity waterbased finishes on the market today. Fuji Mini-Mite spray system easily stands out. We do not sell the compressed air connector, you will need to purchase that locally for the style of air quick connects you have on your compressor. By signing up, you'll receive exclusive pro tips, news and other subscribe-worthy incentives. I use mine for spraying shellac, polyurethane, and waterbased polyacrylic finishes. So is it possible to lay down primer and base coats with the ECO 3 or single stage paints? I managed to do that with a couple of burly stumps of Hazelnut wood from a nearby orchard up here and the burl is amazing and almost gone.
This is where our TurboPro systems are nice as they are completely adjustable and designed to spray the clear coats with normal thinning. Or I can spray with water-based finishes and just use any old fan. Case housing design is extremely important. Semi-Pro. Contact the experts at Fuji Spray to learn more about the features of each system and to find out which one is right for you. I have a 60gal, upright Eagle compressor which runs several spray guns as well as a pressure pot system and an Air Assisted Airless sprayer. All units carefully designed to the exact specifications required by the turbine manufacturer to provide maximum life expectancy. Otherwise both sprayers work well if used under the right conditions for each sprayer. It features a lightweight, portable turbine that has more power than other DIY systems in it's price range. Most people who have used bleeder style spray guns will tell you that they perform beautifully and are easy to operate, clean and maintain. While a compressor system operates at a faster speed, the HVLP sprayers slower, more precise application also offers benefits. If so, can I just order the connector with the 7500gto? May we suggest that you look at the TurboPro models if you want to be able to spray auto paint in addition to the plastic dip. The obvious question asked; is one better than the other? hvlp It can cause problems withfast drying finishes like shellac, laquer and waterbornes. Although the turbine I bought works beautifully, I spent way more than I wanted and still have a compressor sitting idle. an air hose, and a It sounds like an old vacuum cleaner when running!
For the professional body man or for bigger jobs, either a four-stage or five-stage system is preferred. Our biweekly podcast allows editors, authors, and special guests to answer your woodworking questions and connect with the online woodworking community. I would bet that the one you have now would do just fine with the right gun. The 25-foot hose length should give enough range for small to medium cars. I agree with Jim. Be careful not to get too long or too short an air hose for the size turbine you buy. There are benefits and liabilities to each system. Years of thorough testing, input from professional finishers and computer aided design (CAD) have delivered Maxi-Mizer TrueHVLP, a spray gun that is perfect in weight, balance, style, size and performance. Looking for a recommendation whether to buy a dedicated turbine HVLP system, or upgrade my compressor. home
You can actually get a quiet turbine, from Fuji. I've worried about all of these issues. As far as the noise issue, I think it is going to be just as noisy (or close to it) with the compressor system. TrueHVLP refers to any HVLP spray gun that will provide sealed air pressure under 10 psi and follows the design principals of air turbine spray guns, i.e. The problem you will encounter with the ECO systems is that they are fixed pressure, so if you buy a 3 stage that will work great with the dip paints, but not so well with clear coats. This makes the turbine unit ideal for on site painting work. All that air is going to be shooting out of the gun and the compressor is going to be going most of the time (as I'm not going to be able to afford a huge compressor). The same is somewhat true of the ECO-3. Not all products qualify for free shipping. The 8000 series guns are only made for use with your compressor. For traditional automotive paints you will definitely need a more powerful turbine. Otherwise, you may become frustrated. You've probably only used the Graco system? For larger cars and trucks, you may need to move the turbine unit once or twice during the painting process. March 13, 2000. Customer satisfaction is the measure of success with Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns. It's a beautiful park! The TurboPro systems have been specifically designed for body shop use and are capable of spraying the auto materials much better than the ECO or any other standard turbine system. As shipped, most Fuji HVLP spray guns are fitted with a 1.3mm air cap, which is good for most automotive paint. Ashland, huh? Answer: Question: How to Fix the Tension on the Apollo 7500/7700 Spray Gun Fan Control Ring. Is an award-winning Canadian manufacturer and designer of innovative and trusted spray systems for a variety of industries. To further explain: Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns offer transfer efficiency rates which EXCEED all known Government codes, including California SCAQMD 1136. You can use your turbo system to achieve much better transfer efficiency than with a compressor. They are also called airless paint systems. Check these outhttp://www.spraygunworld.com/Information2/LOWAIRGUNSWood.htm This site is very informative and you can't beat the prices. And I've heard the warm air advantage mentioned before. And you don't have to worry about oil getting into the air lines. Is the ECO 5 capable of spraying dip, base, and clear?
It's minimal, and spraying large pieces of material is difficult since the far egde of the material is drying and the near edge is still being sprayed, causing a rough finish due to overspray. A compressor fed HVLP Spray gun utilizes compressed air generated by the air compressor to feed the required volume of air to the spray gun. It sounds really expensive to hire a paint contractor for this. Many times I've wondered how many old "second-hand" pieces of antique furniture he must have sold there which would be worth a little bit more today. Another issue is it's pretty loud. It had never been used. Cherries being mostly red, the wood is reddish. As a result, compressor spray systems require higher safety standards, including a well-ventilated spray area or even a spray booth. Inspiring Media Inc. o/a Canadian Woodworking. Apollo has a wide variety and sizes of turbines to choose from. Apollo 8000 series spray guns are designed like a conventional spray gun with all the benefits of Apollo TrueHVLP, but using your compressor. Warm air isn't always your friend. I was prompted to write in order to suggest not looking exclusively at gravity feed guns (and now I've decided to take the big picture approach). Are Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns as good as conventional spray guns? I need to find more!! The quality of the turbine motor used is very important. On the other hand, I've had good luck with a 2.5 gal, but that's given a small surface to spray and a gun that's spraying in little more than bursts (so that the compressor can keep up).You did well with your purchase, and maybe saved yourself some brain damage that comes with analyzing compressor options. I've often wondered if I made the wrong decision, but I had a hard time finding the information I needed to make the decision. We fully guarantee our spray guns for two years. Or, should I say, my wife is worried about the cascade of expense here ! I spent most of my very early years in that valley White City, Medford and about halfway between Medford and Jacksonville before we moved away, although we later moved to Cave Junction for a spell which is just the next county over to the West. In studies and tests, Apollo comes out on top. check out the. I have a compressor I use in my shop but like the possibility of being able to bring my ECO 3 to other locations for remote jobs?
I think the most cost effective route is to order the eco3 with the 7500gto gun for plasti dip and hookup the gun to my compressor for standard automotive paints. With the 8000 series spray gun, unique design provides you have the option of gravity feed, standard cup or production along with Apollo TrueHVLP efficiency. Has plasti dip been tested effectively out of the eco 5 and if so what would be the recommended settings. By signing up, you'll receive exclusive pro tips. Compressor sprayers will heat up if used on large jobs and cause premature failure. If you're doing low viscosity clear coat HVLP spraying, many of the varied gun and system options will serve you well, after some experimenting. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. The TP2000 has all the needle, nozzle and air cap combinations necessary to spray anything from Plastic Dip, Base Coats, Candies, and all Clears, just as the manufacture recommends them to be thinned. I trust it's becoming clear that getting involved with quality spray finishing makes sense only if you are doing production work (where speed is critical), or if you simply want the learning and experience. Answer: Please check back for updates to this page. Although I'm told that they've moved a bit so that may not be a very good landmark any more. The four-stage turbine has a range of 6.5 PSI to 8.5 PSI. Yes, for what you are doing we would recommend the TurboPro of the ECO, but understand that the cost is much different. It really works well. (Apollo 7500 series). The Fuju brand seems to be a popular one and had best reviews, so I checked them out first. Apollo TrueHVLP conversion spray guns perform identically to an HVLP turbine spray gun, plus they reduce air consumption by 50% . They have full spray pattern control which can be adjusted from an 1/8 line to a 15 fan depending on your choice of spray gun. I used to have relatives all over that valley. All turbine-powered spray guns are true high-volume low-pressure (HVLP) systems. If you still decide that a turbine unit fits your needs better, this article is a good test on models that are reasonably priced (under $500). Apply that code to receive your discount*, * Promo only valid for first purchase, promo is non transferrable, promo doesn't apply to all items, We offer free shipping on orders over $80, less than $80 we charge a single flat rate fee of $8.50. A head sock and full body covering are recommended.
Use caution and common sense while painting. Any further advice or ideas? Apollo custom matches each turbine size with the correct size air hose. choosing a selection results in a full page refresh, press the space key then arrow keys to make a selection. What are the cfm/psi requirements for the 7500gto? Just because a cup is under the gun doesn't necessarily make it a siphon gun. My point is to provide you a heads-up about how convoluted HVLP spray finishing can become. WOODWEB is a registered trademark of Woodweb.com. The E7000 spray gun comes with a 1.3mm, that should a nice job, the next size up is 1.8mm. We would recommend the B-HS air cap for plastic dip. Both offer excellent performance. This patented feature enables the Apollo TrueHVLP spray gun to run off a 3 HP or larger air compressor. Note: The 5100 air caps are compatible with Fuji T-model (T-70, T-75) spray guns. It uses a motor much like vacuum cleaner and a turbine to atomize the paint. But, even with those concerns, I still think that the quality of sprayed finishes are better. This smaller diameter hose with the flex whip greatly helps to relieve wrist fatigue associated with long spray jobs. I tried and tried and tried to talk this guy into selling me a piece. | about
COPYRIGHT 2022 Fuji Industrial Spray Equipment Ltd. 800 Alness Street, Toronto, Ontario M3J 2H5, Marty Schlosser The Industrys Go-To Expert, The Essential Balancing Act Atomization. Spraying isn't that hard to learn and it does produce a very nice finish. Naturally paint guns have progressed and we now have it down to a science. If you use the E7500GT spray gun, then you could use a 1.5mm, but I think the 1.3mm will do a nice job for you.
Heat eventually leads to premature bearing failure. The TP2000 comes with a 2 year + 1-year warranty if you register your warranty within 30 days of purchase. You can also find larger, more professional Turbine Paint Gun Systems from Apollo and Earlex HERE. For an entry level system you will get fine results with the ECO. The big plus about my Graco system is that it comes complete (as do some others), but the best part is that it has a feature on the gun whereby you can shape the fan and control the amount of air on the back of the gun instead of having to change spray tips. Do you have any advice on which system to buy now? There is nothing wrong with such a system.HVLP has been kicked around a lot on this site. I have read some of the old posts archived here, and Im leaning towards just getting a good quality turbine esp since I already some spray guns. | contact If you can find an orchard being taken out I'd try like hell to talk the owner out of a stump or two if I were you. Returned items must be in the original packaging. Please ask us to send you a copy of our independent laboratory tests. I get so tired of the slow, tedious process of brush-on or wipe-on finishing. The rest of my family loved it. Because of this you will get greater coverage over a large area and a wider effective spray fan pattern. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. Answer: Question: How to convert your Apollo 7500/7700 Spray Gun from compressor to turbine. So, in order for higher viscosity materials to be applied properly, they must be diluted. Commenting has been disabled. Once you get that all figured out and taken care of, the EPA will outlaw the products that work best for you. We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter.
Thanks for the information. They have guns that will run off compressors with outputs as low as 1hp and less than 5cfm @ 40psi. http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/FWNPDF/011113058.pdf, I can direct you to a site that has a ton of info. Today I rented an Accuspray 240 HVLP turbine system, and sprayed an oil-based black enamel through it. hvlp They say it will spray clears, but you will have to reduce them way beyond what the manufactures recommend. It also allows the operator to turn the gun in virtually any position with ease. There is no question that in most instances, TrueHVLP Spray Guns would offer maximum efficiency and the lowest air consumption. Buying a bigger compressor and a real HVLP spray gun would cost nearly as much as a complete HVLP turbine system. as minimum requirements for painting a car. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building! Hopefully it has enough push, will try this weekend.
This is where our TurboPro systems are nice as they are completely adjustable and designed to spray the clear coats with normal thinning. Or I can spray with water-based finishes and just use any old fan. Case housing design is extremely important. Semi-Pro. Contact the experts at Fuji Spray to learn more about the features of each system and to find out which one is right for you. I have a 60gal, upright Eagle compressor which runs several spray guns as well as a pressure pot system and an Air Assisted Airless sprayer. All units carefully designed to the exact specifications required by the turbine manufacturer to provide maximum life expectancy. Otherwise both sprayers work well if used under the right conditions for each sprayer. It features a lightweight, portable turbine that has more power than other DIY systems in it's price range. Most people who have used bleeder style spray guns will tell you that they perform beautifully and are easy to operate, clean and maintain. While a compressor system operates at a faster speed, the HVLP sprayers slower, more precise application also offers benefits. If so, can I just order the connector with the 7500gto? May we suggest that you look at the TurboPro models if you want to be able to spray auto paint in addition to the plastic dip. The obvious question asked; is one better than the other? hvlp It can cause problems withfast drying finishes like shellac, laquer and waterbornes. Although the turbine I bought works beautifully, I spent way more than I wanted and still have a compressor sitting idle. an air hose, and a It sounds like an old vacuum cleaner when running!
For the professional body man or for bigger jobs, either a four-stage or five-stage system is preferred. Our biweekly podcast allows editors, authors, and special guests to answer your woodworking questions and connect with the online woodworking community. I would bet that the one you have now would do just fine with the right gun. The 25-foot hose length should give enough range for small to medium cars. I agree with Jim. Be careful not to get too long or too short an air hose for the size turbine you buy. There are benefits and liabilities to each system. Years of thorough testing, input from professional finishers and computer aided design (CAD) have delivered Maxi-Mizer TrueHVLP, a spray gun that is perfect in weight, balance, style, size and performance. Looking for a recommendation whether to buy a dedicated turbine HVLP system, or upgrade my compressor. home
You can actually get a quiet turbine, from Fuji. I've worried about all of these issues. As far as the noise issue, I think it is going to be just as noisy (or close to it) with the compressor system. TrueHVLP refers to any HVLP spray gun that will provide sealed air pressure under 10 psi and follows the design principals of air turbine spray guns, i.e. The problem you will encounter with the ECO systems is that they are fixed pressure, so if you buy a 3 stage that will work great with the dip paints, but not so well with clear coats. This makes the turbine unit ideal for on site painting work. All that air is going to be shooting out of the gun and the compressor is going to be going most of the time (as I'm not going to be able to afford a huge compressor). The same is somewhat true of the ECO-3. Not all products qualify for free shipping. The 8000 series guns are only made for use with your compressor. For traditional automotive paints you will definitely need a more powerful turbine. Otherwise, you may become frustrated. You've probably only used the Graco system? For larger cars and trucks, you may need to move the turbine unit once or twice during the painting process. March 13, 2000. Customer satisfaction is the measure of success with Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns. It's a beautiful park! The TurboPro systems have been specifically designed for body shop use and are capable of spraying the auto materials much better than the ECO or any other standard turbine system. As shipped, most Fuji HVLP spray guns are fitted with a 1.3mm air cap, which is good for most automotive paint. Ashland, huh? Answer: Question: How to Fix the Tension on the Apollo 7500/7700 Spray Gun Fan Control Ring. Is an award-winning Canadian manufacturer and designer of innovative and trusted spray systems for a variety of industries. To further explain: Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns offer transfer efficiency rates which EXCEED all known Government codes, including California SCAQMD 1136. You can use your turbo system to achieve much better transfer efficiency than with a compressor. They are also called airless paint systems. Check these outhttp://www.spraygunworld.com/Information2/LOWAIRGUNSWood.htm This site is very informative and you can't beat the prices. And I've heard the warm air advantage mentioned before. And you don't have to worry about oil getting into the air lines. Is the ECO 5 capable of spraying dip, base, and clear?
It's minimal, and spraying large pieces of material is difficult since the far egde of the material is drying and the near edge is still being sprayed, causing a rough finish due to overspray. A compressor fed HVLP Spray gun utilizes compressed air generated by the air compressor to feed the required volume of air to the spray gun. It sounds really expensive to hire a paint contractor for this. Many times I've wondered how many old "second-hand" pieces of antique furniture he must have sold there which would be worth a little bit more today. Another issue is it's pretty loud. It had never been used. Cherries being mostly red, the wood is reddish. As a result, compressor spray systems require higher safety standards, including a well-ventilated spray area or even a spray booth. Inspiring Media Inc. o/a Canadian Woodworking. Apollo has a wide variety and sizes of turbines to choose from. Apollo 8000 series spray guns are designed like a conventional spray gun with all the benefits of Apollo TrueHVLP, but using your compressor. Warm air isn't always your friend. I was prompted to write in order to suggest not looking exclusively at gravity feed guns (and now I've decided to take the big picture approach). Are Apollo TrueHVLP spray guns as good as conventional spray guns? I need to find more!! The quality of the turbine motor used is very important. On the other hand, I've had good luck with a 2.5 gal, but that's given a small surface to spray and a gun that's spraying in little more than bursts (so that the compressor can keep up).You did well with your purchase, and maybe saved yourself some brain damage that comes with analyzing compressor options. I've often wondered if I made the wrong decision, but I had a hard time finding the information I needed to make the decision. We fully guarantee our spray guns for two years. Or, should I say, my wife is worried about the cascade of expense here ! I spent most of my very early years in that valley White City, Medford and about halfway between Medford and Jacksonville before we moved away, although we later moved to Cave Junction for a spell which is just the next county over to the West. In studies and tests, Apollo comes out on top. check out the. I have a compressor I use in my shop but like the possibility of being able to bring my ECO 3 to other locations for remote jobs?
I think the most cost effective route is to order the eco3 with the 7500gto gun for plasti dip and hookup the gun to my compressor for standard automotive paints. With the 8000 series spray gun, unique design provides you have the option of gravity feed, standard cup or production along with Apollo TrueHVLP efficiency. Has plasti dip been tested effectively out of the eco 5 and if so what would be the recommended settings. By signing up, you'll receive exclusive pro tips. Compressor sprayers will heat up if used on large jobs and cause premature failure. If you're doing low viscosity clear coat HVLP spraying, many of the varied gun and system options will serve you well, after some experimenting. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. The TP2000 has all the needle, nozzle and air cap combinations necessary to spray anything from Plastic Dip, Base Coats, Candies, and all Clears, just as the manufacture recommends them to be thinned. I trust it's becoming clear that getting involved with quality spray finishing makes sense only if you are doing production work (where speed is critical), or if you simply want the learning and experience. Answer: Please check back for updates to this page. Although I'm told that they've moved a bit so that may not be a very good landmark any more. The four-stage turbine has a range of 6.5 PSI to 8.5 PSI. Yes, for what you are doing we would recommend the TurboPro of the ECO, but understand that the cost is much different. It really works well. (Apollo 7500 series). The Fuju brand seems to be a popular one and had best reviews, so I checked them out first. Apollo TrueHVLP conversion spray guns perform identically to an HVLP turbine spray gun, plus they reduce air consumption by 50% . They have full spray pattern control which can be adjusted from an 1/8 line to a 15 fan depending on your choice of spray gun. I used to have relatives all over that valley. All turbine-powered spray guns are true high-volume low-pressure (HVLP) systems. If you still decide that a turbine unit fits your needs better, this article is a good test on models that are reasonably priced (under $500). Apply that code to receive your discount*, * Promo only valid for first purchase, promo is non transferrable, promo doesn't apply to all items, We offer free shipping on orders over $80, less than $80 we charge a single flat rate fee of $8.50. A head sock and full body covering are recommended.
Use caution and common sense while painting. Any further advice or ideas? Apollo custom matches each turbine size with the correct size air hose. choosing a selection results in a full page refresh, press the space key then arrow keys to make a selection. What are the cfm/psi requirements for the 7500gto? Just because a cup is under the gun doesn't necessarily make it a siphon gun. My point is to provide you a heads-up about how convoluted HVLP spray finishing can become. WOODWEB is a registered trademark of Woodweb.com. The E7000 spray gun comes with a 1.3mm, that should a nice job, the next size up is 1.8mm. We would recommend the B-HS air cap for plastic dip. Both offer excellent performance. This patented feature enables the Apollo TrueHVLP spray gun to run off a 3 HP or larger air compressor. Note: The 5100 air caps are compatible with Fuji T-model (T-70, T-75) spray guns. It uses a motor much like vacuum cleaner and a turbine to atomize the paint. But, even with those concerns, I still think that the quality of sprayed finishes are better. This smaller diameter hose with the flex whip greatly helps to relieve wrist fatigue associated with long spray jobs. I tried and tried and tried to talk this guy into selling me a piece. | about
COPYRIGHT 2022 Fuji Industrial Spray Equipment Ltd. 800 Alness Street, Toronto, Ontario M3J 2H5, Marty Schlosser The Industrys Go-To Expert, The Essential Balancing Act Atomization. Spraying isn't that hard to learn and it does produce a very nice finish. Naturally paint guns have progressed and we now have it down to a science. If you use the E7500GT spray gun, then you could use a 1.5mm, but I think the 1.3mm will do a nice job for you. Heat eventually leads to premature bearing failure. The TP2000 comes with a 2 year + 1-year warranty if you register your warranty within 30 days of purchase. You can also find larger, more professional Turbine Paint Gun Systems from Apollo and Earlex HERE. For an entry level system you will get fine results with the ECO. The big plus about my Graco system is that it comes complete (as do some others), but the best part is that it has a feature on the gun whereby you can shape the fan and control the amount of air on the back of the gun instead of having to change spray tips. Do you have any advice on which system to buy now? There is nothing wrong with such a system.HVLP has been kicked around a lot on this site. I have read some of the old posts archived here, and Im leaning towards just getting a good quality turbine esp since I already some spray guns. | contact If you can find an orchard being taken out I'd try like hell to talk the owner out of a stump or two if I were you. Returned items must be in the original packaging. Please ask us to send you a copy of our independent laboratory tests. I get so tired of the slow, tedious process of brush-on or wipe-on finishing. The rest of my family loved it. Because of this you will get greater coverage over a large area and a wider effective spray fan pattern. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. Answer: Question: How to convert your Apollo 7500/7700 Spray Gun from compressor to turbine. So, in order for higher viscosity materials to be applied properly, they must be diluted. Commenting has been disabled. Once you get that all figured out and taken care of, the EPA will outlaw the products that work best for you. We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter.
Thanks for the information. They have guns that will run off compressors with outputs as low as 1hp and less than 5cfm @ 40psi. http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/FWNPDF/011113058.pdf, I can direct you to a site that has a ton of info. Today I rented an Accuspray 240 HVLP turbine system, and sprayed an oil-based black enamel through it. hvlp They say it will spray clears, but you will have to reduce them way beyond what the manufactures recommend. It also allows the operator to turn the gun in virtually any position with ease. There is no question that in most instances, TrueHVLP Spray Guns would offer maximum efficiency and the lowest air consumption. Buying a bigger compressor and a real HVLP spray gun would cost nearly as much as a complete HVLP turbine system. as minimum requirements for painting a car. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building! Hopefully it has enough push, will try this weekend.