He does not have test reports contradicting the R-value we report given the parameters we display. same category?? , US Energy Products 48 in. stops that typical chilly feeling of one's body heat radiating I do agree with you not to use it underslab unless it falls off a truck and is free. edges as it hangs in the interior box, but it definitely Over 3 billion square feet sold. As Malcolm pointed out, (a) GBA does not sell insulation; (b) Advertisers don't tell me what to write; and (c) My writing is more likely to anger insulation manufacturers (especially manufacturers of spray foam insulation) than please them. Are Expensive Building Components Necessary? 494, GNT Road, Thandalkalani, Puzhal, Puzhal, Chennai - 600066, Dist. Hyderabad, Telangana, Max Withstanding Temperature: 10-12 degree, Indore The roof takes full sun and is very hot for lots of radiant heat hitting that wall at a 45 degree angle. I'm reading the above article and comment with dismay. foil-faced bubble wrap I am not condoning false advertising, but as a building scientist I don't care. They are totally different in the way they are manufactured, packaged, sold, and the way they perform/install, not to mention the ease of installing a rolled flexible insulation compared to rigid foam-board. Mr. Holliday continues with his lies. With a staple gun and some tape I (we) can make miracles happen. Double bubble foil has a double layer of polyethylene bubbles that acts as an extra thermal barrier to prevent condensation. Response to Robert Fritz (Comment #39) Moreover, manufacturers of conventional insulation products (like polyisocyanurate foam) could play the same (illegal) game in their advertising literature if they wanted to -- but they don't. That's a high hurdle to climb given you have a lot at stake maintaining this little show - But we will reach that hurdle. In that application the low-E of the bubble wrap gives in another bit of thermal performance to protect the cases on the sunny side of the pallet from cooking while on the loading dock in full sun (R3.8 foam wouldn't quite do it, I'm sure.) Unfortunately this type of 'bubble wrap "insulation" is the norm for 'winterization' of manufactured yurts in the US. As I have noted repeatedly in articles over these years, it doesn't take long at all to locate websites with absurd and illegal claims about the performance and R-value of so-called "insulating" paint, radiant barriers, and bubble-wrap products. Johnathan Barber I'll report back soon. Use in tropical countries Plain Fire Resistance Bubble Insulation Sheet, Thickness: 8mm, 4mm Aluminum Foil Bubble Heat Insulation, Size: 1200mm(width), Roof Heat Insulation Materials, For Ceilings, Thickness: 4-20mm, Silver Aluminium Air Bubble Insulation, Thickness: 1mm. The Federal R-Value Rule is the law of the land, and it should be enforced. 113, Sunrise Tower, M.G. I am embarrassed to admit that I used it in my unwinterized cabin to cut the chill a bit in the shoulder seasons in the room with the fireplace; I wanted something really thin outside the sheathing and behind the siding. May need bubble foil to stay cool to keep the beers cool instead of sunscreen to ward off mosquitoesto make solar cookers what else?? One final point: you really don't want any ducts in an unconditioned attic. On the contrary: our federal legislators decided to pass a law (16 CFR 460) specifically to address the type of crime detailed in my article. Installing a vapor barrier on the exterior side of your wall sheathing is not a good idea in Canada. I can take a frozen bottle of water, wrap it in PRODEX, take it outside on the hottest, most humid day in July, and the outer surface will not condense. Mr. Holladay. The R-value of reflective insulation and mass insulation is based on the same fundamental equation (The ability to stop heat transfer). I am building a post frame shop building that will have cellulose insulation above ceiling OSB. Our patience is wearing. I would also greatly appreciate any remedies you could suggest. Great -- another thing wrong with my house Every owner has a unique set or circumstances. Double Bubble Reflective Foil Insulation (24 inch X 10 Ft Roll) Industrial Strength, Commercial Grade, No Tear, Radiant Barrier Wrap for Weatherproofing Attics, Windows, Garages, RV's, Ducts & More! I see no reason why you can't install a fiberglass blanket around it. Your situation is unusual. He has held that position continuously for at least 12 years. 22-23, Nandanvan Industrial Park 2 Bakrol Dhamatvan Road, Bakrol Industrial Area, Bakrol, Ahmedabad - 382433, Dist. Jonathan, Reflective insulation R-value is measured as a system. As the foil is already around the outside, will a typical pe vapor on the inside (hidden by the canvas) prevent the possible condensation problems? I was counting primarily on the radiant barrier over the existing uncovered sheathing on a 2X4 insulated wall. to said No whistle blowing against fiberglass, rigid board, cellulose and spray foam. inside, on, or behind my vehicle. In this application, the shiny foil is clearly not facing an air space, so the exaggerated R-value claims made by bubble-wrap manufacturers were particularly outrageous. My Pasadena, CA home (summers hot), was built in 1953 and has a low-sloped asphalt cap roof. Or white paint on the top of the roof and a greater roof slope (more convection). If you add two 3/4-inch-thick air spaces to either side of a one-inch-thick layer of foil-faced polyiso, you could come up with a considerably higher R-value than the value stated on the label (usually R-6 or R-6.5) -- but reputable insulation manufacturers choose not to make these illegal claims. help calculating R-value Khewat Khata No-43/46 Rect N0 17//24/1 Rakba 8 Kanal 0, Mujeri, Near Sector - 70, Faridabad - 121004, Dist. Now what? Response to Jon R Under Slab Insulation- Just like its name sounds, our under slab Ultra CBF bubble-foil-bubble insulation has been designed specifically for installation under concrete slabs. One of your paragraphs begins with this (not very grammatical) sentence: "3. 105/5 TCI Bus Stop, Bailappanapalya, Madavara, Bengaluru - 560057, Dist. Yes - You do sell insulation via your advertisers. 8 Ranoli X, Ranoli, Vadodara - 391350, Dist. If it doesn't insulate it will it at least keep the edge off the radiant heat and stop it from sweating?
Some poorly trained workers were installing aluminum foil on an attic floor with staple guns. My idea is to run 72" double bubble wrap up this gap (in about 80 sections) and secure it to the top of the dome, thus creating an extra insulating layer. What about using the plain foil on the underside of my floor joists in the crawl space? Radiant barriers have legitimate uses, as described by some above. Complete disclosure - We promote Prodex Total Insulation as the best solution for heat, cold and condensation! Keith, Installing a radiant barrier in your roof assembly is a waste of money unless it faces an air space. To paraphrase Joe L,where were the adults when this level of insulation was deemed adequate. It does not stop heating by conduction or by convection. Alternatively, since they are on the attic floor, can I just cover them as is with blown cellulose? Wow! Response to Adam Stetten For more information on radiant barriers, see Radiant Barriers: A Solution in Search of a Problem.
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The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. can anyone please identify what sheet is this.. To avoid having to defend the parameters they use in their test (no air and no wind) not to mention health risks associated with fiberglass, they distract by attacking reflective insulation. Budget, space, time, access That's the point. The main reason that you probably want to remove and discard the bubble wrap is so that you can inspect the duct seams and seal the seams with mastic. I guess everyone on this site not your "groupie". 
Shame on the FTC for letting these marketers fleece gullible homeowners and builders. Labor has a huge affect on affordability. I will be insulating a yurt in Vermont that was done in this way (not surprisingly, the bubble wrap is inadequate. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2022, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. The inner layer is comprised of a thinner material that is 72" wide and heat sealed in strips to the inside of the outer layer. Rather than beat around the bush, why don't you just say it: You think Martin is a shill for his advertisers. It did help reduce annoying cold drafts from these poorly-located, upward and slightly west-facing skylights. I have come to your house (your forum) like a man and called you out. I haven't hooked up the radiant yet so I don't know how effective the Prodex will be. Rigid foil-faced foam board would have been better too, but this bubble wrap stuff was in the garage (free and available). It is a sad irony that those with power to fix the problem lack the will, and those with the will lack effective tools to address the problem. Or are you suggesting using a thin foil foam in conjunction with fiberglass (or roxul) in the bays? ------- I have a guess but rather than conduct myself as you have and call you a "Bad Apple" as you have referred to us, we'll give you a chance to clarify for your readers what you really mean. 1. Your admiration of whatever other product you recommend is irrational. Single Bubble Insulation- Single Bubble insulation is an economic alternative compared to our double bubble product. Tim, A. Worse is when they try to give credibility to their mis-information by shrouding it in pseudo-science. Not a great plan. One minor usage of bubble wrap Mr. Holliday, did you tell the FTC that? Jaipur, Rajasthan, Raja Park, Jaipur Misleading article on this website. Prices across cities for Bubble Wrap Insulation Material, S Block, S 192 & 193, MIDC, Bhosari, Bhosari, Pune - 411026, Dist.
Five Reasons To Believe In Prodex Total Insulation. I am considering bids by two roofers to put a TPO or PVC white roof on top of LOW-E 3/16 reflective insulation (on top of the existing single layer of asphalt).
We're proud of our "A to A+" rating. Joel, You also write "The last time I checked, Prodex was being manufactured and distributed out of Alajuela, Costa Rica -- a fact which may or may not be relevant to the legal sophistication of its marketers.)" -1/2" Sheetrock. This was a few years back. You are correct that some "radiant people" use radiant barriers and others use "double bubble." This created a 2-1/2 in air gap as well as a pocket to run all After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Please tell us exactly what you're talking about.". Faridabad, Haryana, F-458, Sector 63, Noida - 201301, Dist. The article will appear to educate - It will link an ICC-ES report or some other government document about insulation. He expects his readers to believe the FTC is poor and underfunded. 4. He refuses to admit http://www.Insulation4Less.com either puts the parameters of the R-value shown on the page or embeds a link in the R-value to display the parameters. Summer afternoons would really make the inside of that door a scorcher. The houses perform extremely well in both summer and winter. I am becoming depressed by all the [good] info on this site showing how key parts of my home build were wrong and either cannot be fixed or will require lots of $$$ to fix. Misleading article written by Martin Holladay, GBA Advisor There is nothing wrong with that agenda. The R-value of reflective insulation and mass insulation is based on the same fundamental equation - The ability to stop heat transfer. These types of roofs eventually fail, because they get clogged by leaves, pine needles, tennis balls, and Frisbees. You hide behind the guise of being an impartial 'Energy Expert'.". I do not promote any product. ------- It's hard to visualize where you want to install the bubble wrap. I guess because it's so much easier to go after little Insulation4Less and Prodex than whistle blow against the big boys. If these products yield an R-3 per inch (give or take) then it's comparable to many other products out there. Can't support his contentions. By thin, I am talking the 1/2" stuff. Other than If it did each manufacturers would provide their customer an install option including an airspace as a way to improve the R-value. Others still, obtain information from may sources, but understand the bias of the source, and use that to draw our own conclusions. After all, your walls lack the benefit of 1/2-inch drywall. Insulation4Less links every R-value to the parameters of its test. Reflectix running and stapled inside joist Although Prodex does not have a bubble wrap layer (its center is composed of closed-cell foam), once again we will defend bubble wrap because the statement is preposterous. See a lot of ads and claims about R19 for the product ProDex. Also, it sure seems like it makes the floors of our little house surprisingly warm and comfortable. Many large companies use government (and government like) entities in this manner, and that propaganda is difficult to navigate. Now I'm unsure if this product will do what I want so I could use some advice. We're discussing Insulation4Less and Prodex. Kolkata, West Bengal, 11-74, 2, Pragathi Nagar Colony, Dilsukhnagar, Saroornagar, Hyderabad - 500060, Dist. With an air gap and taking into account adding an air barrier and using foil where the radiant levels are high, the stuff though marketed horrendously does do a job. So, you are designing a "flat" (low-slope) roof that drains to a central ABS drain pipe, and you want to know how to insulate the drain pipe. Response to Jonathan Barber The truth is slowly leaking out on Spray Foam, now it's foil. Is Bubble Wrap Duct Insulation a Good Idea. I also installed radiant tubing, because i wanted to take the chill out of our NY winters if i happened to be working in the garage. For more information on this topic, see Keeping Ducts Indoors. A layer of 13/64 inch of closed-cell polyethylene has an R-value of R-1.4 or less. I don't have my copy of ASHRAE Fundamentals by my side right now, but according to my memory, a 3/4-inch vertical airspace with a radiant barrier has an R-value of about R-3. advice. still SAD about the Title and Tone of this article I saw an entire house get covered in this stuff (exterior). We were so fast we insulated the garage door for free and still made a quality profit and the homeowner was and is thrilled. ------- Unfortunately, you made a few mistakes. You hide behind the guise of being an impartial "Energy Expert". It looks like ordinary metalized plastic film. The exterior wall construction was as follows: Hardi siding The purpose of citing or linking the document is to impress the reader - to make him or her more inclined to accept the authors recommendations. You are digging yourself a very deep hole here. A decade ago, when I was the editor of Energy Design Update, I noticed that many manufacturers of foil-faced bubble wrap were promoting their products for use under concrete slabs on grade. You really should be ashamed of yourself for trying to stifle debate around these issues just to increase your profits. You wrote, "There is an airgap, that is what the bubbles are, air gaps.". If you add an air space on either side of foil-faced polyiso, the air space will have an R-value between R-2 and R-3.
Some poorly trained workers were installing aluminum foil on an attic floor with staple guns. My idea is to run 72" double bubble wrap up this gap (in about 80 sections) and secure it to the top of the dome, thus creating an extra insulating layer. What about using the plain foil on the underside of my floor joists in the crawl space? Radiant barriers have legitimate uses, as described by some above. Complete disclosure - We promote Prodex Total Insulation as the best solution for heat, cold and condensation! Keith, Installing a radiant barrier in your roof assembly is a waste of money unless it faces an air space. To paraphrase Joe L,where were the adults when this level of insulation was deemed adequate. It does not stop heating by conduction or by convection. Alternatively, since they are on the attic floor, can I just cover them as is with blown cellulose? Wow! Response to Adam Stetten For more information on radiant barriers, see Radiant Barriers: A Solution in Search of a Problem.
61, C/o Perfetc Dharam Kanta, Dhonde Khurd, Raipur - 493111, Dist.
The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. can anyone please identify what sheet is this.. To avoid having to defend the parameters they use in their test (no air and no wind) not to mention health risks associated with fiberglass, they distract by attacking reflective insulation. Budget, space, time, access That's the point. The main reason that you probably want to remove and discard the bubble wrap is so that you can inspect the duct seams and seal the seams with mastic. I guess everyone on this site not your "groupie". Shame on the FTC for letting these marketers fleece gullible homeowners and builders. Labor has a huge affect on affordability. I will be insulating a yurt in Vermont that was done in this way (not surprisingly, the bubble wrap is inadequate. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2022, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. The inner layer is comprised of a thinner material that is 72" wide and heat sealed in strips to the inside of the outer layer. Rather than beat around the bush, why don't you just say it: You think Martin is a shill for his advertisers. It did help reduce annoying cold drafts from these poorly-located, upward and slightly west-facing skylights. I have come to your house (your forum) like a man and called you out. I haven't hooked up the radiant yet so I don't know how effective the Prodex will be. Rigid foil-faced foam board would have been better too, but this bubble wrap stuff was in the garage (free and available). It is a sad irony that those with power to fix the problem lack the will, and those with the will lack effective tools to address the problem. Or are you suggesting using a thin foil foam in conjunction with fiberglass (or roxul) in the bays? ------- I have a guess but rather than conduct myself as you have and call you a "Bad Apple" as you have referred to us, we'll give you a chance to clarify for your readers what you really mean. 1. Your admiration of whatever other product you recommend is irrational. Single Bubble Insulation- Single Bubble insulation is an economic alternative compared to our double bubble product. Tim, A. Worse is when they try to give credibility to their mis-information by shrouding it in pseudo-science. Not a great plan. One minor usage of bubble wrap Mr. Holliday, did you tell the FTC that? Jaipur, Rajasthan, Raja Park, Jaipur Misleading article on this website. Prices across cities for Bubble Wrap Insulation Material, S Block, S 192 & 193, MIDC, Bhosari, Bhosari, Pune - 411026, Dist. Five Reasons To Believe In Prodex Total Insulation. I am considering bids by two roofers to put a TPO or PVC white roof on top of LOW-E 3/16 reflective insulation (on top of the existing single layer of asphalt).
We're proud of our "A to A+" rating. Joel, You also write "The last time I checked, Prodex was being manufactured and distributed out of Alajuela, Costa Rica -- a fact which may or may not be relevant to the legal sophistication of its marketers.)" -1/2" Sheetrock. This was a few years back. You are correct that some "radiant people" use radiant barriers and others use "double bubble." This created a 2-1/2 in air gap as well as a pocket to run all After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Please tell us exactly what you're talking about.". Faridabad, Haryana, F-458, Sector 63, Noida - 201301, Dist. The article will appear to educate - It will link an ICC-ES report or some other government document about insulation. He expects his readers to believe the FTC is poor and underfunded. 4. He refuses to admit http://www.Insulation4Less.com either puts the parameters of the R-value shown on the page or embeds a link in the R-value to display the parameters. Summer afternoons would really make the inside of that door a scorcher. The houses perform extremely well in both summer and winter. I am becoming depressed by all the [good] info on this site showing how key parts of my home build were wrong and either cannot be fixed or will require lots of $$$ to fix. Misleading article written by Martin Holladay, GBA Advisor There is nothing wrong with that agenda. The R-value of reflective insulation and mass insulation is based on the same fundamental equation - The ability to stop heat transfer. These types of roofs eventually fail, because they get clogged by leaves, pine needles, tennis balls, and Frisbees. You hide behind the guise of being an impartial 'Energy Expert'.". I do not promote any product. ------- It's hard to visualize where you want to install the bubble wrap. I guess because it's so much easier to go after little Insulation4Less and Prodex than whistle blow against the big boys. If these products yield an R-3 per inch (give or take) then it's comparable to many other products out there. Can't support his contentions. By thin, I am talking the 1/2" stuff. Other than If it did each manufacturers would provide their customer an install option including an airspace as a way to improve the R-value. Others still, obtain information from may sources, but understand the bias of the source, and use that to draw our own conclusions. After all, your walls lack the benefit of 1/2-inch drywall. Insulation4Less links every R-value to the parameters of its test. Reflectix running and stapled inside joist Although Prodex does not have a bubble wrap layer (its center is composed of closed-cell foam), once again we will defend bubble wrap because the statement is preposterous. See a lot of ads and claims about R19 for the product ProDex. Also, it sure seems like it makes the floors of our little house surprisingly warm and comfortable. Many large companies use government (and government like) entities in this manner, and that propaganda is difficult to navigate. Now I'm unsure if this product will do what I want so I could use some advice. We're discussing Insulation4Less and Prodex. Kolkata, West Bengal, 11-74, 2, Pragathi Nagar Colony, Dilsukhnagar, Saroornagar, Hyderabad - 500060, Dist. With an air gap and taking into account adding an air barrier and using foil where the radiant levels are high, the stuff though marketed horrendously does do a job. So, you are designing a "flat" (low-slope) roof that drains to a central ABS drain pipe, and you want to know how to insulate the drain pipe. Response to Jonathan Barber The truth is slowly leaking out on Spray Foam, now it's foil. Is Bubble Wrap Duct Insulation a Good Idea. I also installed radiant tubing, because i wanted to take the chill out of our NY winters if i happened to be working in the garage. For more information on this topic, see Keeping Ducts Indoors. A layer of 13/64 inch of closed-cell polyethylene has an R-value of R-1.4 or less. I don't have my copy of ASHRAE Fundamentals by my side right now, but according to my memory, a 3/4-inch vertical airspace with a radiant barrier has an R-value of about R-3. advice. still SAD about the Title and Tone of this article I saw an entire house get covered in this stuff (exterior). We were so fast we insulated the garage door for free and still made a quality profit and the homeowner was and is thrilled. ------- Unfortunately, you made a few mistakes. You hide behind the guise of being an impartial "Energy Expert". It looks like ordinary metalized plastic film. The exterior wall construction was as follows: Hardi siding The purpose of citing or linking the document is to impress the reader - to make him or her more inclined to accept the authors recommendations. You are digging yourself a very deep hole here. A decade ago, when I was the editor of Energy Design Update, I noticed that many manufacturers of foil-faced bubble wrap were promoting their products for use under concrete slabs on grade. You really should be ashamed of yourself for trying to stifle debate around these issues just to increase your profits. You wrote, "There is an airgap, that is what the bubbles are, air gaps.". If you add an air space on either side of foil-faced polyiso, the air space will have an R-value between R-2 and R-3.